#sw speculation

[the-yearning-astronaut]

So. After watching the new ep last night, I kept trying to figure out who the episode title was referring to. Because it's the spies, plural. And we only saw one known spy, at the very beginning.

And then I realized that it's the new Mandalorians. The ones on the mad-max viking ship or whatever. Because while they lead them all to the Forge like they said they would, that's where the ambush happened, where they were funneled into a trap. Gideon knew to find them there, specifically. And. Most telling, they sent up a BUNCH of their "sick" with the armor up to Bo's fleet. Also, Gideon has his own Beskar armor and his entire squadron or whatever has Beskar armor too. They had to have gotten that much Beskar from somewhere.

Bo and co are going to be getting out of the caverns and counting on being able to get back to the ships or the armorer coming back to pick them up.... But they're gonna be too busy dealing with a trojan horse style ambush to be able to assist.

[falllpoutboy]

okay! I agree I don’t even think he cares to come back…. god just hoping for JOHN the fact that people trended and mentioned john first just shows how integral finn and rey are to each others stories if u ask me!!!

and you are so right it was always meant to be finn and rey TOGETHER but idk i feel like the only person that can convince him IS daisy bc we know they are such good friends and they literally started this journey together almost 10 years ago so like…

[adh-d2]

When has he ever followed orders?

[kiffobaby]

Star Wars The Bad Batch: Mild Spoiler

What if Tech really is dead (pls god no) and the significance of putting Lula with Tech's goggles is foreshadowing Wreckers' death (pls for the love of all no)

I know that Lula has become a symbol for Omega but just please no

[milling-around]

The Bad Batch Finale and Joel Aron’s cryptic tweet

Okay so Joel Aron, Director of Cinematography Lighting & VFX at Lucasfilm, tweeted this:

Initially, I thought that this was going to be the runtime of S3E15 The Cavalry Has Arrived. This episode being longer would make sense as it’s the finale of the show and it’s close in length to S1E1 Aftermath. However, I saw a screenshot floating around the other day that says the runtime of the final episode “spans 24 to 25 minutes”.

If this episode is the typical length then this timestamp must be referring to a different piece of media. The question is, what media? In an effort to determine what could happen in the finale, I went to that point in the films to see what I would find. None of them strike as much fear in me as what’s happening in A New Hope.

The Phantom Menace - Anakin has just won the pod race and they are celebrating his victory.

Attack of the Clones - Jango Fett and Boba Fett have just attacked Obi-Wan with seismic charges.

Revenge of the Sith - Anakin is looking out over Coruscant from the Jedi Council room. He has just revealed to Mace Windu that Palpatine is a Sith.

A New Hope - Before leaving to disable the tractor beam on the Death Star, Obi-Wan delivers a line which may foreshadow what’s to come in The Bad Batch.

Empire Strikes Back - Luke is trying to lift the ship out of the swamp on Dagobah.

Return of the Jedi - Luke, Han, and Chewbacca, along with the droids, are captured by the Ewoks.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars - Anakin and Ahsoka are heading towards Tatooine to deliver Jabba’s son back to him.

At 01:09:56:01 in A New Hope, or as close to it as I could get (Disney+ sucks) this is what we see:

Sorry it’s a photo of my computer, I don’t know how y’all take screenshots of Disney+.

“Your destiny lies along a different path from mine.”

Many people have been theorising that the show could end with the Batch and Omega surviving but being separated, either by choice or by circumstance. This line from A New Hope, as well as the fact that Omega’s voice actor, Michelle Ang, has described the ending as “bittersweet”, definitely make that a solid theory.

Maybe I’m barking up the wrong tree though. There’s also speculation about whether Omega is force sensitive, so maybe Luke using the force in Empire Strikes Back is the real clue. Despite Ventress not believing Omega to have a high m-count, and her not being one of Hemlock’s designated m-count specimens, we have seen characters with a low m-count who were capable of wielding the force. Sabine Wren, for example.

Still, Omega being force sensitive doesn’t prevent the theory that she gets separated from the Batch from being true. It could actually be a reason for that separation because she may pursue training or decide that her proximity to the Batch endangers them.

But wait, there’s more!

At this timestamp in S1E1 Aftermath, Omega is on the Marauder with the Bad Batch (minus Crosshair) and they’re setting off on what will be her first big adventure. Omega’s Theme is playing and she’s gazing out at space with child-like wonder. While they’ve just parted ways with Crosshair, the overall feeling in this scene is hopeful.

If the tweet is referring to this episode, it could mean that we get a wholesome Bad Batch family moment. Whether Tech is there or not may rely on CX-2 being unmasked. Perhaps it’s bittersweet because Tech truly is dead or because he’s alive but they cannot save him from the Empire. Or maybe it’s bittersweet for a whole host of other reasons.

Honourable mention

@kiffobaby also looked into what is happening at this timestamp if you combine the runtimes (including credits) of all episodes in clone relevant story arcs and didn’t really find anything of note. If credits were removed then it would put at us a different point in the arc, however it’s unlikely that we’d be looking for a timestamp in an arcs combined duration anyway.

If you’ve read this far, I love you and don’t worry, we’re almost done.

Secret 16th episode?

Seasons 1 and 2 each had 16 episodes which leads me to speculate that this timestamp could actually be the runtime of the final episode, a secret 16th episode.

Is it likely? No. Can I dream? Yes.

[webtrinsic1122]

AHSOKA SPOILERS:

Is it just me or does the statue of the Daughter, while broken - looks like it’s not the Daughter at all and it’s younger Ahsoka? Cause I swear that looks like lek hanging down and not the daughters hair.

[smolbean-17]

They’ve been doing a lot of lingering and powerful shots of Hunter lately.

I don’t know, it kinda feels like they’re gearing us up to say goodbye to him.

[nobody-expects-the-inquisitorius]

OKAY Y’ALL I’M BACK ON MY TINFOIL HAT BULLSHIT

So I was listening to the CX-2 theme in the desperate hope there’d be a leitmotif clue somewhere, and I obviously didn’t find one, but what I did notice was the drums.

The beginning is just over thirty seconds straight of drums in this really erratic pattern that sounds eerily like knocking. And there’s another section in the middle that’s nothing but drums in the same knocking pattern. It really does sound like someone banging on a locked door. As if they’re trapped inside. Trying to get out.

I’ve fully accepted the fact that I’m probably clutching at straws here but if I’m onto something then what if they’re trying to hint to us that there’s someone trapped inside CX-2

That aside, the fact that he specifically gets his own theme out of all the assassins is just more evidence that this guy out of all of them is has to be narratively significant in some way. Everything points to Tech. The Kiners are geniuses, I wouldn’t put it past them to leave us the subtlest of subtle clues in the score

[ninjadeathblade]

Why didn't the Empire stop Nala Se's access on her datapad? They know it's stolen, it would make sense for them to shut down her access with a long range signal.

Unless of course they have something planned.

Now that the datapad has been powered up again, the Empire might be able to track it.

In the trailer Rex says "I thought the end of the war would mean the end of losing more brothers. I was wrong." (or something I didn't check before making this post)

Did Rex lose Echo after Hemlock tracked the datapad?

Is Echo going to be making another sacrifice for a group of brothers to escape and live to fight another da

[shiversdownyourspleen]

I wasn’t expecting it, but Rampart being an absolute dumbass is quickly becoming one of my favourite characters he’s a DICK but it’s to the point where I’d also be genuinely sad if he dies

Honestly his banter with the Batch in the jungle was the best part of this episode

Like this man went from the KILL list to being one of my favourite supporting characters how did this happen

Anyways go watch episode 14 it’s a ton of fun and makes me absolutely dread what they’re gonna do to us in the finale

[just-here-with-my-thoughts]

Okay but from the clip released a month ago in the teaser 'Danger'...

Who are they??

Is this Hunter with his armour painted fully black??

WHAT ARE THEY DOING

I HAVE TO KNOW

Teaser vid below these boys appear at 23s

(Lightened brightened below cut please excuse my non-existant editing skills)

[inquisitor-apologist]

Out of all of the MANY missed opportunities and shit in the Ahsoka show, I think one of the biggest was not exploring the really unique time period that the galaxy is in at all.

Like, think about it. The Ahsoka series takes place in ~10 ABY. The Rebellion is gone. The Galactic Civil War is over. The New Republic has established itself. The last Imperial remnants have been driven all the way out into the Outer Rim. People are rebuilding. The First Order and Imperial resurgence is still pretty far off.

The galaxy in Ahsoka is about as peaceful as it ever gets in the main timeline. And they do nothing with it.

What does peace feel like for Ahsoka, who was forced to fight literally every war in the past ~35 years just for being force-sensitive? (Drafted into the Clone Wars, fighting for survival during the Imperial and Rebellion Years, probably returning to the fight in the Civil War because she’s one of the last Jedi/trained force-sensitives) How does she deal with not having a fight she needs to help with? How does she move on from an entire life of exhausting, terrifying war? How does she look at the Jedi coming back, knowing that they’ll never be the Order she chose to leave at 16? Does she want to come back, but not know how? Is she afraid of returning because she knows that there’s no one left to recognize her?

What about Hera, who dedicated her entire life to a war that’s won? The ongoing struggle that defined her childhood, her teenage years, the first two decades of her adulthood is… over. The Republic she fought for, the Republic she gave everything to restore, is restored. How does she adjust to serving in peace? Does the reality of the New Republic compare to the ideal she did it all for? How does she look back on a whole life as a soldier, knowing that it can be over now, if she wants it to be? Is she even able to accept that it’s over, or is she constantly looking for the next threat, the hidden, upcoming war?

And Sabine, who sacrificed her teenage years to the Rebellion, probably her 20s to the Civil War, how does she deal with living on a Lothal that’s long since moved past the need for a protector, in a galaxy that’s completely unrecognizable without a battle to fight? Does she look back at the Rebellion, the Rebels years, as the good old days? Does the rest of her life feel empty and dull without the constant rush of a desperate, uphill war? How does she reconcile a New Republic without Mandalore? How does she feel about the future she always envisioned missing the people she rebelled for in the first place?

But no, Felony was like: Ahsoka sad :( and unemotional bc Vader. Hera smart and 💯% justified about Thrawn. Everyone else just stupid and hates her. Sabine conflicted bc Not Jedi & misses Ezra. Whole family dead 💀 but let’s not focus on that.

Like, come on.

[adh-d2]

OK wait. Hold the fucking phone for a minute. I think I'm onto something here.

Omega has reached a new level of badass since returning to Tantis. From the moment she entered the vault she's been cool, calm, and confident.

This is the face of a girl with a plan, and with absolute faith in her brothers.

We've all been assuming that faith is in Hunter, Crosshair and Wrecker. But what if it's faith in someone else, too?

And hey, come to think of it, remember how we all thought it was weird that one episode ended with Omega alone with CX-2, then the next opened with him handing her over to Hemlock? Remember how rushed and unnatural it felt to have our protagonist alone for hours with the mystery villain and not get to see a single second of it?

And OH MY GOD look at this fleeting expression the moment CX-2 bends to undo her cuffs, before she quickly averts her gaze.

Now let's go over her dialogue with the kids again:

"Want to know a secret? I escaped from this mountain before"

"Really?"

"How?"

"I had training. And I wasn't alone. Know what else? I'm doing it again. And I'm taking you all with me."

What if Omega told us a lot more than we realize? She has a secret. She knows she's not alone.

[kiffobaby]

(Very Mild) SPOILERS:

Star Wars: The Bad Batch

Episode 9: The Harbinger

I have something to say about Mount Tantiss.

Here is a photo of Mount Tantiss;

And here is a photo of Pabu in the most recent episode;

When the episode first showed the shot of rainy Pabu, I did not even recognise it as Pabu for a fraction of a moment. I thought we had scene changed for a split second.

I could go in depth about the way the lighting and weather is reflecting our characters but I am not as articulate as some of you, and I know many will be talking about this (which is fantastic and I can't wait to see what you think). Just know that the lighting and shadows on characters is reflecting their headspace, and weather also brings atmospheric examples of the turmoil the characters are facing.

What I'm stuck on currently is how Pabu has parallels/shares similarities to Mt Tantiss.

On top of the visual comparison, to Crosshair and Omega, Pabu probably also feels like prison to a degree.

Omega had freedom to move around the same way she could on Tantiss, but doesn't have the freedom to actually go anywhere/do anything.

Omega feels that she left her brothers behind and that she could have done more. She is now on Pabu and feels she cannot do anything to help yet as she doesn't have answers and her brothers are protecting her.

Crosshair has more freedom than he did on Tantiss but as he is sticking with his brothers, he also cannot leave.

The others, to a degree, are also probably still watching him for signs of betrayal (betrayal is a strong word, deviance is probably better)

Even if they had a plan to help, they are essentially still 'trapped' here until they figure out what is happening with Megs and how to keep her safe.

Mt Tantiss to a degree has the same 'stuck on an island' feeling because the environment and wildlife outside of the main area you see the characters is dangerous. This keeps them in the one place, the same as being surrounded by ocean keeps you on the land.

I think the visual parallel is helping to remind us that while our characters are safe right at this moment, the Harbinger has only brought more uncertainty and insecurity.

My thoughts are all over the place right now so this may not make sense. I'm still processing the latest episode. But absolutely let me know what y'all think about this and if you can articulate your thoughts better.

And feel free to tell me all of your thoughts about everything.

[itzshrike]

Yall I kinda wish that the mystery assassin clone isn’t going to be tech. Love that guy but I want it to be another clone that fulfilled his plot and was never seen again. I know that there’s a 99.999% chance that it is him tho and if it is imma gonna cry and be happy that he’s alive. But like, what about all the other clones who are missing???