#symptom holder

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[Text: This alter is a homicidal thoughts holder.]

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[borderline-culture-is]

BPD Symptoms culture is dear god. I'm hoping that it's some disorder and not just "moody teenager hormones". Because if this was all normal, oh my god. No. I don't think it's so normal to be like this.

(kinda nervous to send. Sorry if it's confusing.)

It isn't confusing, we actually understand this a lot.

[mogai-toybox]

Clustive Flags Clustives are system members that hold symptoms of a cluster disorder, control the symptoms of the disorder, or have a role otherwise tied to the cluster disorder they or the system have. [ source ] by @playing-card-coining

Introject flag base: @localhazard-wikiblog

SzPDtive or Zoidtive [ original ] Flag: @schizoidflagcreator [ here ] Symbol: @actuallyschizophrenic [ here ]

StPDtive or Typaltive [ original ] Flag: N/A [ here ] Symbol: @actuallyschizophrenic [ here ]

PPDtive or Noidtive [ original ] Flag: Us Symbol: @actuallyschizophrenic [ here ]

AsPDtive or Antisotive [ original ] Flag: N/A [ here ] Symbol: archived by @aspdsolace [ here ]

BPDtive or Bordertive [ original ] Flag: @ptsdsafe [ here ] Symbol: @ptsdsafe [ here ]

NPDtive or Narctive [ original ] Flag: N/A* and @npdflag [ here ] *original by npdsafe is gone Symbol: @npdflag [ here ]

HPDtive or Histriotive [ original ] Flag: N/A [ here ] Symbol: @puriette [ here ]

AvPDtive or Avoidtive [ original ] Flag: @avpdvoidspace [ here ] Symbol: @avpdvoidspace [ here ]

OCPDtive [ original ] Flag: @21stcenturynarc [ here ] Symbol: inspired by @21stcenturynarc [ here ]

DPDtive or Depentive [ original ] Flag: @dependont [ here ] Symbol: @revenant-coining [ here ]

These flags are a reupload from @hr6819-coining.

@pluralterms @pluralitywords @pdsarchive

[radiostaticsmile]

On Alters and Personality Disorders

Disclaimer that I am not a researcher and this is based on my understanding of different studies and of my own personal experience being a system with personality disorders and knowing systems with personality disorders

Often I see the question can on alter have a personality disorder that other alters do not. It seems to be hotly debated without a real answer, most people just extrapolate because studies on that specifically are hard to find and combine knowledge of systems and personality disorders but be used to make an inference. I am going to be doing the same thing here, 

However one thing that I have not seen anyone mention that has greatly helped my understanding of this topic is the idea which has begun to exist relatively recently within psychology that personality disorders are really all the same thing at its core, a disorder which occurs in response to trauma, and the specific symptoms and disorder you will be diagnosed with is dependant on which survival methods worked best for the traumatizing situation that the person was in. 

For example in situations where it was dangerous and likely to get the victim hurt by their abuser to care about the abusers feelings they will likely develop a PD with low empathy like NPD or ASPD. For situations where avoiding the abuser was possible and the best method something like AVPD may occur. And those who need to be highly attuned to their abusers emotional state and weather they get hurt or not depends on how the abuser is feeling may develop BPD. This is an over simplification but you get the picture. 

Dissociative disorders are also caused by trauma. And abuse is complicated, so different survival strategies may work at different times, and using a method that works sometimes will actively get you abused more at other times. For singlets this can cause more than one personality disorder with symptoms that mix and overlap. For dissociative systems, this can mean different alters present different symptoms. Alters will often form because the system needs different survival strategies in different situations, and different alters will fill those roles. So it makes sense some alters will have symptoms of a personality disorder that another alter does not have. One alter may fit enough criteria for a diagnoses of a specific personality disorder while others may be missing key aspects of the disorder, so in tis way I do think it is possible. You can say they are just symptom holders and the whole system has it, or you can say just they have it, its really just arguing semantics at that point, since it is fairly clear within the community that many systems have alters who meet diagnostic criteria while other alters in the same system do not.

I do think it is possible for an alter to have a specific personality disorder that is not system wide, because specific personality disorders are not really separate from each other, but rather which symptoms do you present, and different alters present different symptoms. However, I also think that if any alter has a personality disorder, everyone in the system would most likely have a personality disorder of some kind (unless they have a highly specialized role or are a fragment that would prevent this, but the system as a whole would still be personality disordered). This is because the trauma changing the brain that created the personality disorders affects the whole system. It can affect different alters differently, and some specific symptom sets may be contained to only a few alters, but being personality disordered in general would affect everyone, or at least that is what I have come to believe based on my experience and research. 

It also seems like just based on what I have seen that alters will frequently gravitate around a few presentations/specific disorders that show up in several alters, like a system of six may have 5 with BPD, and 3 of those also have NPD (meaning 2 with both), more likely than every alter having an extremely different disorder presentation from each other, and then varying symptoms between alters within those subsets of symptoms. This however is not based on any research and is just personal experience since this topic really hasn't been studied enough.

This is not meant to invalidate or dictact any one else's experience or beliefs around the topic but I haven't seen anyone discuss the theory that personality disorders are a single disorder with highly varied presentation and I wanted to add that idea to the conversation.

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[ID: Nine small pixel hearts of system role flags, in order trauma holder, caretaker, gatekeeper, memory holder, dissociation holder, pseudonaut, symptom holder, architect, and communicator. End ID]

Tumblr makes them bigger than they actually are click to see correct size or check out the rentry in the pinned post

[the-silent-fellowship]

Hypersexual Symptom Holder / Hypersexual Holder

[PT: Hypersexual Symptom Holder / Hypersexual Holder]

Hypersexual Holder, a Symtom holder(link) who holds the Hypersexuality symptoms in particular.

[ID: None yet]

[Tagging] @radiomogai, @pluralitywords, and @pluralterms

[Colors based off of/picked from] This version of this the Hypersexuality flag by @epikulupu

[flagsandtags]

psychosis symptom holder

alters of a system who experience the bodies psychosis symptoms more then the others

flag made by saturn !!

[ENDOS DNI]

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[archangel-level-coining]

battery & drainer !

a battery is a headmate that energizes the body when fronting. this effect may extend to others already in the front, whether purposefully or not.

a battery may also be:

✖️ a symptom holder for a disorder or condition characterized by hyperactivity

✖️ a mood booster, such as an optimist or jester, etc.

a drainer is a headmate with the opposite effect of a battery; exhaustion.

a drainer may also be:

✖️ a symptom holder for a disorder or condition characterized by depression or general low energy

✖️ a negative emotion holder

✖️ a sleeper

✖️ a battery who leaves the body exhausted after their activities while fronting

colors picked from the symptom holder flag by @lupine-chiro, and apple’s battery icons

[plural-culture-is]

Hii!! I saw you accept questions, too!

I've been discovering my system & trying to figure things out, and I have a couple of questions.

I know there are BPD holders & NPD holders, but does that possoblity extent to other PDs as well? Having one or multiple AsPD holders for an example that live out symptoms of it differently from one another?

And in a similar vein, I know that neurological things such as adhd and asd will affect every system member, but I was wondering if the same goes for PDs as well, or if some alters may be unaffected?

Those are the two questions that are going around in our head the most currently. Thank you for reading!! :)

yeah of course you can have symptom holders for symptoms of anything. as for the second question, i have no idea if a headmate can be completely unaffected, but it's possible for certain headmates to be better at coping with or masking disorders, so it might seem like they're unaffected but they still are on some level

[brokenmachinemusings]

does anyone else have alters that are “(chronic) headache holders”. we occasionally experience headaches yadda yadda normal stuff everyone does every once in a while especially if youre a system but every time this alter fronts they start experiencing excruciating headaches (at least a 6/10 on a pain level) and this applies to all alters co conscious/co fronting/whatever (well. obviously). we do occasionally have switch headaches but most of them arent intense. and whenever the alter LEAVES front, like lets say 15min after they joined, the headache just… disappears. maybe lingers for a bit but its on a tolerable level (not sure if its worth mentioning that we get “constant” headaches that you just *know* are there but they dont hurt? or weve just developed a pain tolerance where the minor headaches dont hurt anymore). whereas with most other (switch) headaches it stays for a long time and slowly fades out (like how. headaches work). like is this something other systems experience???? is this just some kind of phantom pain???? i dont fucking know if anyone has any answers feel free to reblog. or reply. or whatever i just need answers (?)

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[Text: This alter is the NPD symptom holder.]

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[borderline-culture-is]

BPD symptom holder culture is going down the "minor inconvenience" to "I'm gonna fucking kill myself" pipeline multiple times a day because your dissocistive amnesia is causing many minor inconveniences slowly building up and testing your patience, and these typos are not fucking helping-

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[mogai-toybox]

Daydream Spectrum Symptom Holder DDStives or Daydreamtives are system members that hold symptoms of neuronarrating/immersive daydreaming or maladaptive daydreaming, control the symptoms of neuronarrating/immersive daydreaming or maladaptive daydreaming, or have a role otherwise tied to neuronarrating/immersive daydreaming or maladaptive daydreaming they or the system have. [ inspired by clustive ] by @playing-card-coining

Introject flag by @localhazard-wikiblog

DDStive or Daydreamtive Flag: Us

MaDDtive or Maladreamtive Flag: N/A* *bugsy-is-here deleted

IDtive or Immerdreamtive Flag: @objectlovernonhuman [ here ]

NNtive or Neuronartive Flag: @neopronouns [ here ]

These flags are a reupload from @hr6819-coining.

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[ix-c-999]

intrusive thoughts holder

a headmate whose role is to hold or experience intrusive thoughts. this is a specific type of symptom holder.

simplified flag

this post has no DNI other than not to involve it in discourse

[always-almost-never]

Anyone else feel like their symptom holders dont really hold those symptoms, but rather are pulled to front when the system is dealing with them?

Like Frog is our main autism symptom holder, but it feels more like he's pulled to front to handle situations where we are dealing with more difficult/obvious symptoms than usual. Hence why he was the host during the year we had bad autistic burnout and couldnt mask at all really, but doesnt really show up in the summer.

This might be just cause we dont have an innerworld, so the only sense we have of different alters is when theyre fronting, but idk

[revenant-coining]

PPD Traits Holder

[PT: PPD Traits Holder /End PT]

[First Flag ID: a rectangular flag with a square diamond in the center, with thin horizontal stripes extending from the left and right corners to the edges of the flag. the left half and stripe are lightish blue, and the right half and stripe are green-blue. the top left of the flag is darkish blue and the bottom left of the flag is dark purple; these sections extend in the same direction as the sides of the diamond, thus taking up more than half of the flag. the top right of the flag is pink-orange and the bottom right of the flag is yellow-green. End ID]

[Second Flag ID: a rectangular flag with 4 equally-sized horizontal lines with 2 thinner lines in the middle. colors in this order from top to bottom: dark purple, darkish blue, blue, green-blue, yellow-green, pink-orange. End ID]

for uravity

PPD Traits Holder: a type of symptom holder (link) for a system/plural member who holds PPD traits.

Etymology: ppd, traits, holder

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[ID: a line divider gradient from left to right as red-pink to pale pink. End ID]