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iamnotmereally · 2 years
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Ppl will be so casually homophobic and transphobic and it makes me wanna punch a wall
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gh-0-stcup · 5 months
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My thing is that I just do not trust a single person who was involved in the show. It just seems like a lot of PR to fix their image and foster sympathy/goodwill/interest.
#i haven't seen compelling evidence that anybody actually tried to fight for canon (and reciprocated) destiel#just admissions that they played into the subtext#(which we already knew - that's why spn's been considered a prime example of queerbaiting since like 2011)#and non-committal statements about the pairing being compelling#edlund seemed to specifically say he wasn't censored/forced to rework due to the gay#yeah misha said the cw's homophobic and suggested the network was the barrier#but at least half of what comes out of misha's mouth is bullshit#like he also said they tried to pay him to stay bisexual#and as a result there's now a bunch of support being tossed out to the writers and some fans are talking about them like they're heroes#who valliantly fought against a homophobic network and were totally going to make dean and cas a couple#but were foiled by said network which is why the show ended with the gays being buried yet again#you see in the secret unreleased version...#and if we just let jensen make another season he won't let us down because of xyz vague statements#nevermind that he made a new show where cas was also never mentioned - cw censorship#nevermind the straightwashed version of soldier boy he's playing - that's kripke's fault#nevermind the statements he's made in the past about destiel and dean's sexuality - he's changed his mind#you can tell because he's said it's okay for fans to have their own interpretations about the series#idk maybe i'm too cynical and i'm being unfair#there's just too much vagueness from pretty much everybody for me to put faith in their intentions#especially if they are seriously considering attempting to revive the series - this sort of thing is great for drumming up interest#the writers being censored by homophobic execs is a familiar narrative ofc - but i don't see anything solid to suggest this is what happened#and it's not like there weren't queer relationships on tv when spn was airing - the show ended in 2020#it isn't even like there weren't queer relationships shown on the cw during spn's run - there were more than a few#i just have so many questions#spn#destiel
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Some of them clearly got the point of Tim's call-out.
Q. What did you make of Tim's interview? I realize the bulk was Lonestar but the fandom stuff was interestingly phrased. The fact that so many people involved with the show, and now the showrunner himself, are openly discussing how bad things are cannot be a good sign. I know we had some fans who were saying we could 'bully' Tim and the show into giving us more Tommy but I think that was a massive mistake in hindsight. I think certain people got carried away and went way too far. Weather their intentions were ever bad or not I just think some people took the bullying idea too far. I'm a little worried we may not see Tommy at all now.
A. The bullying idea was always going to be a massive mistake. Normally you can take Tim's interviews with a bit of 'lol, why is he so dramatic' because he's not immune to getting his feelings hurt, and using his interviews to tell people that. In this case though it was definitely a direct callout. I have been here from the beginning and the show has never experienced anything close to what they have experienced this off-season. It's one thing to root for a particular show ship it's another thing entirely to openly send, and openly encourage others, to send hate to the cast and creators of a show. Then those same fans dragged the lighting director, director of photography, show directors and professional media members who have covered the show for years into their bullying game as well. It was insane, pathetically immature behavior. At times it was also incredibly disturbing. And every single bit of it can be traced back to the cameo videos. The second the storyline they were paying to be told didn't match the storyline we were actually watching they revolted.
And unfortunately because I think Tim, and ABC, just didn't think they were anything worth paying attention to initially, he was allowed to do them way too long. The more he did the more obsessed with him that particular group of people became. This has nothing to do with 911. Those people aren't at all interested in 911. Their entire interest is Lou and Lou alone. It's a small group of people. A small sick group of people who created a bunch of separate accounts in order to appear to be more people than they actually are (and they were stupid enough to openly admit that is what they did). Then that small group of people got together and from every single one of their many accounts they attacked as a group. They started with Oliver. They pointed out that Oliver wasn't interacting with Lou or engaging with any of them, or B/T content, and decided, at least initially, that he was solely to blame for B/T not getting the attention they thought it deserved, again the Buck part they don't care about. They were upset that they weren't seeing more of Tommy and they blamed Oliver for that. Suddenly Oliver was being tagged in posts that were calling him unprofessional, immature, bratty, selfish, and because of course, homophobic (they're really not a bright group of people). However instead of taking their bait and engaging with them, Oliver, rightly, blocked them. Meaning they needed a new target. Briefly it became Tim because their moronic leader screenshot a message she sent him that he, stupidly, responded to. She took that and spun and ENTIRE relationship theory and spread it through her many accounts. Tim then admitted in another comment that he actually didn't know what she was talking about but didn't want to be rude by continuing to ignore her so he responded to her. He then said that was a mistake and he wouldn't be responding to anything else. And he hasn't (she should be very embarrassed by his interview today because he may as well have used her name). And the show also continued to not align with her/their theory and they got more upset. Then found a new target.
Throughout the season Oliver did what Oliver has always done. Oliver posted, liked and promoted Eddie/Buddie/Buckley Diaz family content. He has always done this. This was nothing new. But it infuriated Lou's fans and they turned their anger on Ryan. Suddenly Eddie was the worst character in the history of television. He was an abuser (to Buck especially), he was a user (of Buck especially). He was a terrible friend (to Buck especially). Depending on the day he was either a deadbeat dad or obsessed with his kid in an unhealthy way (they couldn't ever really decide which way to go on this one. That opinion was dependent on how the poster felt about Chris). When that attack didn't really get the attention they were begging for, they changed direction and made it personal. Post after post, that Ryan was always tagged in, calling him racist, a deadbeat dad, an asshole, unprofessional, manipulative and controlling of Oliver (wtf, god they really are a stupid group of people), a whore (I actually read that one myself, it was a trip), a terrible actor that only has a job because Tim thinks he's hot. And so on and so on. At first Tommy didn't kiss Eddie because Ryan is homophobic and refused to do the storyline, then Tim, very publicly, corrected that lie so Lou's fans had to pivot and said Lou actually refused to do the Eddie storyline because he knows Ryan isn't a good guy ( a special kind of crazy that makes me need to drink ). Then they sunk to their sickest, lowest, most pathetic, vile, disturbing, and inexcusable moment. Ryan did a podcast where he discussed his past mental health struggles and suicidal thoughts. They went into the comments on the podcast and told Ryan that they wish he had committed suicide. That if he had killed himself then Tommy could have his screen time and they wouldn't have to see Buck have scenes with Eddie. Not only did they leave those comments (the podcast has since deleted most of them, thankfully), they sent similar messages directly to Ryan on Instagram. Knowing he would see them. It was appalling and very, very disturbing. The cameo videos ended fairly shortly after. These people are sick. They get zero sympathy or understanding from me. It's a fucking television show. Tommy is not a real person. Ryan is a real person.
As for maybe not seeing Tommy at all, I would imagine conversations have certainly taken place. He was never sticking around permanently. The conversations most likely involved deciding if they needed him at all, and if they did, how many actual scenes did they need him for. I don't work on the show, but if they decided he wasn't necessary to the storyline, and they could get away with his stuff happening off screen I would imagine he's been dismissed. They probably decided they needed him at least for a few scenes though. Unless other things happened behind the scenes we're not aware of he will be around the first few episodes at least and then and probably no more. He can take his tiny army with him when he leaves. No one will miss them.
Okay, just ... yeah, all of this. It's crazy how these people did all of these horrible things in the name of... a ship? I mean, what?
I've been in fandom for a very long time and I have been shipping characters for a very long time, but I've never seen behaviour like this. Behaviour where people think they are justified to bully, harass and vilify the actors playing a character on a TV-show. To the point where they get blocked by the actors and crew.
I don't understand what would drive someone to do that? I genuinly don't.
These are the kind of people that need to put down their phones forever, go outside and touch all the grass they can touch. After that they should never watch 911 again. If you don't like something, just walk away. I have done that before. Shows don't always go where a fan wants it to go.
Look. I want Buddie. You all know that. I'm 99% certain that we're getting Buddie in season 8. But, if it turns out we won't, which is always a possibility since I don't know what Tim is cooking up, I will be disappointed, but I won't start spewing hatred all over the place. I will just take a step back and focus on other things in life. I'll keep shipping Buddie and read fanfiction. I'll be fine here in my Buddie corner of the Internet with my Buddie mutuals.
So yeah, this is insane behaviour to me. I truly don't get it.
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Mystery Trio
More mystery trio drabble help me I've fallen into this hole why can't they just be happy:
Okay so I feel like in college Ford and Fidds would still be roommates cause the roommates are randomly picked but like Stan would basically live there too
Like he wouldn't even knock in the first two years, he'd just barge in and scare the living hell out of Fidds everytime
Fidds would have a full heart attack everytime
And Ford would just look up from whatever batshit random thing he was doing and greet him like this was completely normal, cause it was for Stan
This stopped in the third year when Stan walked in and found out they were dating in the most jarring way possible (they weren't fucking just kissing, we stan our ace Ford) (Maybe I'm projecting ace vibes...)
Stan had to teach them what the necktie on the door handle meant (and to fucking use it)
Idk I just think Stan having the realisation that HE is the third wheel out of all of them is really fucking funny
Bro really thinks he's got game till he finds out he's the single one in the friend group
This has all been fiddauthor so far omfg I'm sorry
Okay anyways one day Fidds walks in on Ford setting his face on fire cause it's "quicker than shaving" and freaks out and scolds him
He asks Stan later and all he gets is "he's always been like that"
Ford innocently offers to prove to Fidds how much more "effective" it is by setting Fidds's face on fire for him
Ford had to sleep outside that night
Sometimes Stan and Ford swap with each other and go to each other's lectures
THEIR MUM COMES OVER SOMETIMES WITH HOMECOOKED MEALS FOR THEM WITHOUT TELLING THEIR DAD CAUSE THEIR DAD SUCKS ASS
Ford and Fidds don't tell anyone they're together cause they're still figuring it out themselves and also it's old so definitely a homophobic society
Ford gets drunk one night and there are lots of fun shenanigans that go down
in the first year Fidds is about the same height as the twins, but when the twins grow taller they tease him so fucking much for being shorter
But like affectionately
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aropride · 1 year
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i saw a post the other day that said that gen z/gen alpha say "unalive" and "seggs" and stuff bc they're afraid of being "punished by an invisible force" and while i do think that the self-censoring sometimes unnecessary and worrying, i also don't think they're self-censoring for no reason.
i think there are a lot of situations where talking about suicide/death in general and sex outright would be punished by very real visible forces like parents and teachers and instagram community guidelines. like these kids (i say kids but i know people my age (20) do this, i feel like it's mostly younger genz and genalpha though at least in my experience) aren't just self-policing and self-censoring for no reason. some creators learned to adapt their language to unclear nebulous guidelines to try and avoid their accounts being taken down or their videos being shown to fewer people, then people started assuming any mentions of death or sex would be punished and started doing the same thing, and now younger kids have picked up on it bc they're online a lot and don't know any different.
but that's not the only part of this that matters bc while that is strange and a little dystopian. there are also offline real-life reasons kids would be scared to talk about this shit with actual words. like i was raised very christian, evangelical, not quite fundamentalist, "we don't use labels but we have stage lights for the worship songs but don't wear skirts above the knee" type of thing. my parents didn't teach me about sex until they found out i would have a sex ed class bc they had to sign a permission slip. and then they gave me a book for kids about sex that was heavily christian, abstinence-only, deeply homophobic etc. it didn't teach about birth control, about what things are not normal, any of that. and i was not raised in a way where i was even the slightest bit comfortable asking my parents or talking about it at all. my twin brother got the same book and would talk about sex or make jokes about it and our parents would get upset because it was "inappropriate" and he shouldn't be thinking about that or whatever. and if i had tried to talk about like, menstrual health or signs of abuse or even just made a joke about sex at all my parents would have been upset.
you can probably guess this from what i just said but unsurprisingly my parents weren't big on being upfront about mental health issues either. i have been depressed since before i can remember and was suicidal by the time i was eleven and i had no idea that the way i was feeling wasn't normal or that there was a word for it. i don't remember when i learned about suicide but i know my dad was at least willing to say the word in conversation when i was 12, which my mother wasn't happy about because it was "too dark" a conversation to be having (he had been telling me about a friend he had in college, specifically about how he had recovered from substance abuse issues and suicidal ideation).
and my parents were definitely not normal but there are objectively situations where parents are way worse about this type of thing. there are absolutely kids who aren't allowed to say words like suicide and death and sex. and they're not afraid of algorithms, there are real-life offline consequences if they slip up. so they self-censor, they talk quietly in the lunchroom with codewords and euphemisms with their friends. and that's not even to mention school, and how kids will get in trouble for anything an adult doesn't want them to talk about, how they can get in, again, real-life offline trouble for speaking frankly about this type of thing. because it's "inappropriate," because it's "upsetting," because their teacher is having a bad day, because god said not to, because they don't want their dm to a friend on tiktok to be flagged.
and i would much rather kids talk about these things with sometimes-insensitive code words than to not talk about them at all. if it's a choice between someone coming out as "tr4ns" to their friend and not having someone to support them at all, if it's between saying they want to "unalive" themself and never seeking help, i want them to go the sometimes-silly code word route. because i think they should be allowed to talk about these things and if they're not i think they have the right to try to do it anyway. the unnecessary self-censorship has been criticized to hell and back and i'm not saying it shouldn't be, especially when it's adults saying these things in real life situations. i'm just saying i think kids have a lot more pressure to censor themselves than people think, even offline.
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tupperwaretub · 5 months
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A male reader who's super cautious around people because their queer identity has been an issue in the past, and so Negan being so explicit and flirty all the time just relentlessly getting on their nerves, and Negan just find it's so funny until he starts to realize how genuine the annoyance is, and just being like. Dude why would you EVER care about what other people think when we all know these people are horrible, and they're wrong about EVERYTHING Else, so they're wrong about you. And then they kiss 😈 (is this too cringe am i cringe bro)
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(A/n): TYSMMM for the request, this is so cute!! ALSO PLEASE KEEP SENDING REQUESTS ANYONE!! I'll write almost anything as long as it's not noncon or fetish. If you're unsure just look at my character list I'll link a list of what i will + wont write for
(Warnings): snarky Negan being himself, harsh language (it's negan duh)
(Summary): Before Negan arrived it was really easy to hide your sexuality, but when he went snooping and found old photos with your ex boyfriend he obviously couldn't keep his mouth shut but it definitely went better than you can expected.
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You hid your sexuality even before you got to Alexandria but getting to Alexandria didn't help, the way the older folk looked at Aaron and Eric made you want to curl up and wither away. So you hid yourself, you hid your family pictures, you hid your pictures of friends at pride events and your ex boyfriend in fear of them finding out and shunning you. In your dream world you'd have your family pictures around your house in Alexandria, being able to see the faces of loved ones you'd lost and reminisce on a time before the outbreak but sacrifices have to be made in the new world.
When Negan started showing up you'd only just managed to settle in Alexandria, a lot of those who may of judged you had died and your group from before such as Rick pretty much ran the show around Alexandria now. You weren't at the line up and you hadn't seen Negan kill Abraham or Glenn, you didn't know Abraham well but he seemed nice enough although you never got too close due to an itching bad feeling he was homophobic. Glenn on the other hand you got on with well, being around the same age you both instinctively became close and you'd even considered telling him you were gay but in the end you decided not to, you had known how bad he was at keeping secrets since Hershel's farm when he told Dale about Loris pregnancy and the Hershel families secret zombie collection in the Barn. You feel slightly guilty for not telling him now he's gone though, he would've always had your back.
Less than a week later Negan came banging on the gate, you were counting ammunition and had noticed missing guns but decided it would be best to stay quiet right now. He sends his men to strip peoples houses of mattresses and items he decided he wanted, you're suddenly struck with a horrid feeling of nausea knowing your photos are hidden under your mattress so you run off back to the armory to pretend to check stock.
Around your fourth time checking the stock of guns and ammo Negan bursts in, "Well hey there... Y/n?" You nod. "I believe these are yours sweetheart." He hands you your photos and you swallow hard, you can't tell if you're about to cry or scream. "Don't worry i won't tell a soul, I'm not as bad as prick makes me out to be I wouldn't out someone. Well, assuming you're not out by the way all these photos were hidden under your mattress." You hide the photos in your back pocket and shrug. "I had my men leave your mattress there and maybe we could... You know, in return for my selflessness." He gets close to your face and smirks but backe off when his men enter and you hand them the lists of stock.
The next few time's Negan visits he flirts with you relentlessly, subtle to obvious.
When you saw him walking through the gates this time you sighed knowing it'd just be another day of annoyance, he walks straight up to you and smirks, "hey handsome..." You glare at him.
"Lighten up hon' you don't like a man like me being interested in you?" He laughs to himself and you just look away, almost seething with anger but holding back for Rick's sake. Negan sees your anger and his face shows how hard realisation hit him that you were genuinely annoyed with him and not just playing hard to get.
"Look, you don't have to act all macho to make people think you're not gay. Plus, i don't understand why you're even bothered about people knowing! It's the end of the damn world, laws don't exist anymore if you didn't realise, so if someone makes your life hard over your sexuality do what i do, bash some skulls in." Your eyes soften, while he doesn't exactly have a way with words you do understand his point. "I'm not like you." You respond to him with an ounce of bitterness but he smiles, "no you're not, but you get what I'm gettin' at." His hand brushes yours and you finally look up at him and your eyes lock. "Yeah... Yeah i guess you're right." You mutter and he smiles, his face gets a bit closer to yours. "Loosen up and have a bit of fun doll."
Your lips meet, at first you're unsure and think about pushing him away but his words ring in your head "loosen up and have a little fun" So you pull him closer and the pair of you share a passionate kiss.
Wherever this is going to go, you're sure it'll upset people but you've decided that if you're going to live in a world where you could die any day you'd rather die happy than moping and hiding yourself from others.
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(A/n): I hope you liked it! I loved the request, sorry it took so long I've got ridiculous amounts of work to get done so squeezed this in as much as possible!
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damnfandomproblems · 1 month
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respond to a reply on this post: https://www.tumblr.com/damnfandomproblems/758279107941466112/fandom-problem-5461-cishet-being-used-to?source=share
"are you seriously equating making fun of a marginalized group to making fun of like, idk gender reveal parties or whatever people in your fandom make fun of cishets for doing? Like I don't mock people based on their sexuality but tell me that you do understand the difference between someone making fun of a marginalized group with a high suicide rate and someone poking fun at straight people.(Also, for the folks making racism comparisons: I'm white and when people make white people jokes about like, white people love avocado toast! White people love yoga and saying buddy! or whatever, 1) I don't mind 2) that's much different than a white person making fun of say, Black people.)"
As a poc, and specifically a queer (cisbi) native american (tlingit) who grew up around cishet white people, when it comes to online and fannish spaces I have noticed that people tend to cross the line from making harmless fun to just straight up expressing and encouraging hatred
While this is definitely a minority of people who believe and act out on these beliefs, there is a problem of people truly believing that cishet white people are all genuinely evil and inherently evil at that, and that the only way to "fix" (cleanse) the world of all problems would to be committed genocide in fandom spaces. They immediately assume the worse and dehumanize and rejected similarities they may share with cishet white people. It's absolutely prejudice and need to not only be called out, but utterly tossed in the bin
I get feeling uncomfortable or even wary of people who appart of the same kind of people who have oppressed you because you are not sure if they too have been indoctrinated into the bigotry, but we live in the modern era, more often then not you'll find that most cishet white people just don't care about poc and queer stuff
Cishet whites aren't responsible for crimes they weren't even alive for, that their ancestors committed. They are far more often ignorant because the education system is shit and has a lot racism/ableism/etc baked into foundation ontop of not really being how to do own research, then they are intentionally malicious and bigoted, and the best way to prevent them from being indoctrinated into bigotry is to just, expose them queers and poc who are chill with them and are willing to educate. Insulting them and assuming they want to hurt minorities just because they're cishet whites is the best way to push them into radical hands that will instead pain queers and poc as the ones who just want to hurt others for being cishet whites, because "obviously" why else would they immediately assume you want hurt them unless they want to hurt you?
Hating anyone for things they cannot control (race, gender, sexuality, etcetera) only breeds more hate. Yeah, don't tolerating bigots, but if genuinely can't stand a certain demographic of people ignore them rather then going out of your way to hate them. Educate if you can, or shut up when talking to people who haven't don't anything to you beyond offend your sensibly for committing the crime of being born a certain way, because otherwise you're just feeding into the genuinely malicious and bigoted peoples hands and making it easier for them to take the ignorant and make them malicious too
Hatred at the end of the day is hatred, sure, it might not be the racist or homophobic flavor of hatred, but it's still hatered. And no one should hate anyone, at least not for the things they can't control (because fuck pedos/rape-philies in general and murders and genuine racists of course, they can all go get shot, don't get me wrong and twist my words like I know some of y'all are just dying to do)
Posting as a response to a previous problem.
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ugly-anarchist · 3 months
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I've seen a couple posts about "cisallohets" at pride events and like... There's so many reasons why not wanting them there is wrong.
"Cisallohet" doesn't mean "not queer". Intersex people are included in queer spaces (when they want to be). Same for gender non-conforming people and drag queens/kings. Not every drag queen/king is gay or trans!
This excludes non-queer family members that want to support their family. Are you really gonna tell me you want a non-queer parent of a queer kid to drop their 13 year old off at the entrance and then just leave them there? What about the other way around? Are queer parents supposed to leave their children behind to celebrate themselves without them?
I have volunteered at pride events before and quite a few of the volunteers (who were essential to the continued function of the event) weren't queer.
It makes it a lot harder for questioning and closeted people to find communities. Are you really going to deny entrance to someone because they're not sure if they're queer and they're coming to the event specifically because they want to find people to relate to?
It opens the door to identity policing. If we don't allow "non-queer" people into pride events then we need to have a very clear and distinct definition of what queer is and not everyone agrees on that. We also need to know exactly who identifies as what and not everyone is as clear cut as everyone else. Some people don't use labels other than "queer" and pressuring them to pick something more specific for our comfort isn't right. Also, many people aren't visibly queer. Queerness isn't always open and who you may see as a "cisallohet invader" could be any form of queer. If you bar people from events for "not being queer enough" some actually queer people are gonna get caught in the crossfire.
I think people say these kinds of things without actually thinking about what it would involve. And I think that people say this because they're thinking about one specific kind of situation and are misinterpreting the cause.
Queerphobia shouldn't be allowed at pride. Queerphobes shouldn't be allowed at pride. Disrespectful, disruptive, and predatory people shouldn't be allowed at pride.
Unfortunately, however, some queer people fit those categories. Some queer people are deeply transphobic, biphobic, and aphobic. Some queer people are disrespectful, disruptive, and predatory. These people shouldn't be allowed at pride the same way non-queer homophobes shouldn't be. Barring "cisallohets" would hurt a lot of people and wouldn't solve a single issue.
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solradguy · 1 year
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is johnny homo/transphobic or not, im seeing a lot of people claiming that he is and bashing him for that
No lmfao He's neither of those things. People wanna hate him so bad, but they're getting their information from thrice removed Twitter banter based on lines from non-canon games they probably haven't even played. Just out there stirrin the shit pot. It's like if people suddenly decided Ky was homophobic because he's very likely catholic.
There's this exchange from one of the Johnny routes in XX (which isn't even a canon game):
Bridget: 約束したじゃないですか! Hey, you promised you'd listen to me! Johnny: くっ……このジョニー、レイディとの約束は裏切れねぇ。 Argh... I can't break a promise made to a woman. Bridget: ……ウチ男ですけど。 ...I'm a guy. Johnny: た、助かった…… Oh, well in that case...
The translation here is accurate. However, if we're going to call Johnny transphobic for this exchange then we're going to have to call about half the cast transphobic since Bridget has a lot of equally unfortunate interactions like this throughout XX.
There's this interaction from Bridget's arcade route too, which I think is the one people usually point to for Johnny being transphobic:
Bridget: ……ああ、危なかった。負けるかと思った。どうしたんですか?途中から剣筋が急に鈍りましたけど……。 ...Whew, that was close! For a minute there, I thought I was gonna lose that one. Hey, what's wrong with you? You suddenly went limp right in the middle of the fight... Johnny: このジョニー一生の不覚だ……。おまえ……男だろ! Ahh... Johnny... What have you done... You.... You're a guy, aren't you! Bridget: ええ。この格好にはちょっと訳がありまして。 Sure am. This appearance... Well, it's kind of a long story. Johnny: この俺としたことが男を口説くとは……。もういいから、帰ってくれ。 I can't believe I just tried to seduce another man... Look, you should just go home and forget about all this. Bridget: 剣を向けて来たのはそちらですよ? Hey! You're the one who stuck your sword in my face! Johnny: ……悪かった。一つだけ頼む。このことはくれぐれも他言無用にな。 ...I'm sorry. I just have one request. Whatever you do...Don't tell anyone about this. Bridget: ……ほんと、変な人ですね。 ...What a weirdo.
This official translation is pretty accurate. The exchange between these two here isn't good, I will admit. But we also need to remember that the XX series of games had at least 3 different writers, it isn't canon. Johnny doesn't act like this outside of a few parts of XX.
There weren't scripts on the GG wiki for the XX Accent Core Plus arcade routes, so I'm not sure how Johnny is in that game. Probably roughly the same as in XX though.
I also couldn't find any lines from him towards Testament or Venom that were worse than anything anyone else says to them. Johnny does use he/him pronouns for Testament in the localization, but in Japanese he doesn't seem to use pronouns for them at all (which is relatively common in Japanese in general anyway).
In summary: Basically if it's from any of the games from the GGXX line just throw it out the window. "He would not say that" The Game.
If he says something bad towards Testament, Venom, or Bridget that's in one of the canon games and I missed it: send it to me.
Here are the scripts I went through for this:
General VS mode quotes: https://guiltygear.fandom.com/wiki/Johnny/Quotes
X Plus script: https://guiltygear.fandom.com/wiki/Guilty_Gear_X_Plus_script
XX script: https://guiltygear.fandom.com/wiki/Guilty_Gear_XX_script
Bonus line from XX where the localization team made an... interesting... choice translating "dandy" as "studmaster." He's saying this to Bridget during one of the Johnny arcade routes. (this line doesn't prove anything either way, I just thought it was too funny not to share lol)
Johnny: ダンディなお兄さん…… ……と呼んでくれれば何でも聞いてやるぜ? Call me 'Studmaster'... and I'll listen to whatever you have to say.
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riddlemethisjeremy · 5 months
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"But its fine to be LGBTQ+ in Australia in 2024 Australia is such an accepting country"
Get away from me.
Here is an itemised list of shit that i see around me/has happened to me. Just in my little sphere of observation I'm not talking about online or anything just circling around fucking me. Organised from shit that bothers me the least to shit that fucks me off to an unbelievable extent:
All the shallow "LGBTQ+ safe space !!!!!!!" Stickers i see at places like target (I am not talking about actual queer spaces like Dangerfield oh my god i will never ever get over the time that the person at Dangerfield asked if i would like to see their "masculine selection" like holy shit ???? Yes i would love to see the "masculine selection" thank you for not making me a man in this store- anyways) it just makes me a little mad that they just have to put a little sticker in the window and suddenly they're a "safe space" like come off it mate no one's buying your shit
Those people who say they're like supportive and then go and bag out a highly minoritsed section of the community (example taken from my current home) "I support trans people i believe trans people should be able to live and be whoever they truly are" "if my child ever told me that they wanted to use "they/them" pronouns i would assign them a gender myself" "I think all these little "microlabels" like pansexual and aromantic are fake theyre just kids looking for attention" "well apparently you can identify as a tree these days lol I'll just tell them i identify as a dog and cock my leg on them"
Other generally passive homophobic comments such as "oh you're pansexual? Does that mean you're attracted to pans?"
Walking into class and getting slurred or called an "it" or being spoken about like I'm a creature rather than a person: "Sir, can you take that thing outside" "Its not a part of this classroom" "Someone should really put a muzzle on that thing" "oh, sorry, "IT". Got my grammar mixed up."
Possibly the more upsetting part of that is the teacher, who is aware of me being trans and has been since he took our class, has not done a thing about this despite stating that he was going to do what he could to support me.
The casual biphobia/complete erasjre of my bi identity that happens like literally daily? Like hello i like both ?
The younger queer kids being targets of creeps and harassment because theyre just "attention seeking queers" and no one would believe them if they said anything
Being clocked by customers at work and having to deal with harassment surrounding my entire identity despite the fact that I'm not even out and having to pretend to have a laugh about it with my coworkers while im literally shaking and like on the verge of an anxiety attack
People fetishizing drag queens/critisizing them for not doing drag in a "traditionally correct" way. Like ?? She's not bopping he bussy for anyone but herself fuck off
My own friends not believing me/taking me seriously when i try to talk about the harassment/abuse that I face at school/at work because "its 2024 and these places are safe places and they literally said they weren't trying to be offensive"
Being outed in the workplace because i was trying to help my gf get a job (which i didnt realise was a whole thing at the time) and then being punished for not telling people about our relationship to begin with (neither of us are very out and I didn't want to put either of us in an uncomfortable position so I didn't mention it because its not their business?) my gf is no longer getting a job and i am significantly less likely to get the promotion they were talking about giving me
The sheer amount of homophobic/transphobic parents that i know of in the area (mine and my gfs included) and the fact that "allies" don't seem to understand why we won't tell these people about ourselves (especially those of us with notably abusive parents (myself and my gf included))
"Well she can't like you very much if she's not willing to tell her parents" "i just don't think she really cares about you if she's keeping you a secret" shes literally let me give her kisses at the bus stop guys she just wont tell her mom fuck off
The fact that if her parents find out they could report me to the police for grooming because even if the age gap is literally eleven months she's still a minor and the courts are more likely to convict me because im queer. This would literally end my life.
the fact that im being encouraged to leave the fucking love of my life because its "too dangerous" and if my life is ruined by her parents its her fault some how so i need to protect myself ???? What the fuck ????
And finally "You cant save everyone you know" like ???? I know that doesnt mean that the people I CARE ABOUT should have to suffer to keep ME safe. Thats fucked up.
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sophieinwonderland · 1 year
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Tumblr Arguing Tactics: What You Need To Know
Adding to the topic of the disinformation that claimed "system hopping" was appropriated from the RAMCOA community, people need to be aware of the tactics used by groups here who are trying to sew division.
Because these tactics have proven effective, and even being pro-endo doesn't make you immune from spreading anti-endo propaganda.
There have been many pro-endos who heard the false claims that system hopping was appropriated from RAMCOA survivors and started asking about other terms they could use, despite the claims being completely, verifiably false.
Some of these have been RAMCOA survivors who, while not hearing the term before, blindly believed it was a RAMCOA term because other people told them it was.
This has become a major tactic in Tumblr discourse, where when arguing for one thing, it's common to mask your true motives in ways that portray the other side as villains for unrelated reasons.
This has been commonplace in shipping discourse, with anti-shippers claiming ships they don't like are supporting incest and pedophilia. (Not just actual incest and pedophilia ships but ships like Sheith where you have two adult characters with an 8-year age gap who describe each other as being like brothers. Because apparently nobody who has ever described themselves with sibling-like relationships can hook up.) And if it's not claiming the ships are supporting incest or pedophilia, the ships are homophobic, racist, transphobic, etc. Whatever accusations they can land on in order to sink the ships of others in the fandom and prop up their own.
Accusations may be weak but that doesn't matter because the goal isn't truth. It's emotionally manipulating good people, and those who want to be perceived as good people, to take your side.
While other people who weren't invested in the discourse may come to believe the more marketable false reasons, make no mistake where they originated and with what intent.
It's not actually about social justice. It's about using the idea of social justice to prop up their given ship, painting their victims as horrible people for reasons that were never genuinely related to their primary motives.
But it spreads because people hear "[insert group] supports pedophilia" and that triggers a gut emotional reaction no matter how baseless.
And if you don't side with them, then you're supporting that thing too.
There's a manipulation tactic at play here that people need to be aware of.
Because it's spreading everywhere and is regularly being weaponized by genuinely terrible groups against marginalized people to pit them against each other.
If you don't like xenogenders? Just make up a controversy about how Fae pronouns are appropriating Celtic culture. See, now those nasty transgender people are being racist!
If you're aphobic, spread lies that aroace people stole the term "aspec" from the autistic community. Look! We're not excluding them because we're a hate group! We're excluding them because they're ableist!
Time and time again, these tactics are being used to create division and hurt people.
And time and time again, people in the communities keep falling for them.
We have to do better. We have to think critically about where these claims are coming from, and who benefits from them being spread instead of just blindly accepting what we're told.
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lover-of-mine · 6 months
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thank you for answering my asks!! I'm glad you're doing better & they weren't too much & you enjoy these!
and yeah the more I think about it the less I want like jealous Eddie & more confused Eddie? Like he looks so happy every time Buck & Tommy are like getting along so I'd love for him to be happy about it but maybe feel a little off? Like about Buck/Tommy dating. Like he's happy for them bc his new friend & best friend are dating & they're both so great & he gets to keep hanging out with them individually but together he's like ??? But thinking about it I don't think he'd get jealous I think he'd double down on being supportive?? Like he's so happy for Buck exploring this new part of himself & with someone like Tommy who's cool & nice & someone Eddie trusts and Tommy is dating Buck who Eddie loves so much so it's like of course he's happy for him too? So he tries to make sure he's not getting in the way of it & being supportive with both of them.
But! Tommy seemed happy to also see Eddie in the promo so I'm hoping since he also was like "yeah we are good as friends & it's okay for him to have more than one" that Tommy will continue to initiate/hang out with him. I hope if Buck is weird about the date it's just like panicking bc he wasn't maybe ready to tell Eddie? (Bc it's scary & new & his Eddie feelings are tied up in it even if he isn't aware of that but also!!! Buck feeling guilty bc he was all weird about their friendship & now is dating Tommy & like idk I kinda want him to panic like "I'm not trying to steal your new friend! I know I was a dick about it but I really like kissing him & want to keep doing so!" or something? Idk lol bc now it's like "well how do I explain this to Eddie after doing all of that??" it's kinda embarrassing like he's gonna go to Maddie & say "yeah so remember when I was all mad about Tommy? Um well now we're dating actually" I want to have all the love & support but also they never stop teasing him over being an absolute disaster about it) (I love him so much)
So yeah. I'm hopeful that going forward we'll leave the jealousy tension with Tommy behind bc I think you're right it would be boring and honestly Eddie seems like he'd be so happy but also again feel Weird but when he sees like Buck being all adorable & flustered & happy when Tommy does something cute or romantic & he's not mad or upset, he's just like idk kinda how with Ana things felt Weird but it took him a bit to figure out why bc he liked her well enough & she was beautiful & Chris loved her so like he was like why am I not happier about this? Why do I get a weird flutter in my chest or tightness in my stomach when Buck looks at Tommy like that? and just responds by like being extra supportive (and eventually having to talk to someone like "why do I feel weird about this? am I a bad friend? am I homophobic?" and it's like no you're sad bc you want to be kissing Buck!!!) so idk maybe it's too close to the jealousy but yeah I don't want it to create tension in that way. Also I'd love him to be able to talk to Tommy about it? Like Tommy clocks it and is like "is this weird for you?" & Eddie's like no no I'm happy for you two really (bc he is but also???) and just idk if that makes sense but basically I want Buddie to talk & be like we will be more open with each other & there's no weird tension with Tommy bc they've moved past that & he's like gets to be something in both their lives while also a catalyst for them getting together (lmao what if he was in their wedding party?? "Eddie Chris is already your best man,at least let me have Tommy as a groomsmen?" "Tommy & I are really more friends than you two are tho" "what? We're close tho, I have literally been inside of him" ". . ." ". . .yeah okay, but I get Chim then.") (is it crack yes but it makes me laugh) and I am just repeating myself over and over but yesssss the end
Okay, I will talk about it all but the idea of buddie having Buck's ex in the wedding party made me cackle oasokasasokasokas we love to paint Eddie as possessive but this would be so funny lolololol
Okay, I think Eddie will be aggressively supportive, like, overcompensating levels of supportive, buying bi flags for Buck supportive, especially with the whole Buck feeling left out thing, I think he would go intense about it, and not even fully realize it seems like he's compensating for something. But the thing here really is how they'll deal with Tommy and Eddie with it all, because Eddie like Tommy, so I don't see him reacting all that extremely the way he did with Taylor for instance, but at the same time, I kinda want Eddie to do a double take every time he sees Buck and Tommy together. But you can't really play the jealousy angle while Buck and Tommy are still together, because the switch would be weird. So, really, I have no idea how to play this situation, buddie do need to talk about Tommy in the middle of them, but how does Tommy actually fit in the middle here?
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thestrangestthlng · 2 months
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I have some opinions about this whole recording of the live whatever yesterday because, of course, I do.
Firstly, they hosted a whatever they're called to bitch. Okay? What's your point?
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People don't like to admit it, but fandoms are communities, and communities are allowed to discuss whatever they want with each other. Fandom conversations are supposed to stay within fandom spaces. That conversation was in a fan space and the people who violated that are the ones that made it public.
But the fact that you spent four hours of your life recording it and then other people spent four hours of their lives inserting themselves into conversations that they weren't invited to is honestly weird.
The thing about discourse is that it requires a dialogue. Y'all have your own conversations and happenings about shit, honestly has nothing to do with y'all yourselves.
I am not today, or ever, going to dictate how other people feel about actions that harm them. What I will say, however, is that we are parasocialing a bit too close to the sun.
We do not know these people, any of them, and we never will. We see their public persona and see what they want us to see. We see them through a looking glass.
People saying bitching about OS not "defending" his co-worker from the vitriol from his fans is honestly weird. Firstly, he left social media because the fandom was so toxic. I'd be very surprised if he knew the extent to which these hateful and toxic individuals have gone. When he has seen things he has said something. OS seems, from an outside POV, that he's pretty disconnected. I love that for him.
Now, the cognitive dissonance of some people from a certain faction of fandom should be studied. The number of times I've seen posts about BT shippers being "hypocrites" because they're supporting a "racist/misogynist," which they then immediately proceed to imply that the LFJ supporters are racist because they shit on the Hispanic man, but not the white man.
Babes, those shitty ass memes were a decade ago. Were the offensive? Yes. Should he have shared them? But it was a decade ago. Please share with the class any REAL evidence of him being racist/homophobic/transphobic/xenophobic/islamophobic/harmful since then. If RG is allowed to grow and develop as a person, so is LFJ. And if you are like "well at least RG apologized... LFJ didn't", just say you don't know how PR or social media relations work and move on.
(Don't you dare use that fake ass meme that homie and his little friend made up. It's not real, bsffr.)
That being said, people are calling out RG because he has a history of racist actions. Within the past week he's shared content from transphobic accounts. Have you seen some of the accounts he follows? It's weird.
That being said...
Doxxing people is illegal and fucking unhinged. What the actual fuck is wrong with y'all? People are allowed to hold celebrities accountable for their actions and inactions, in their own spaces. They shouldn't have to do it in private to not risk their personal fucking safety being put at risk.
Ship and let ship and live and let live.
No one is telling you that you HAVE to like LFJ or RG or OS or anyone. But when people are keeping fan conversations in fan spaces where they belong and y'all come in a violate their safety - YOU'RE THE ONE IN THE WRONG. Full stop.
They are real people and people aren't perfect. Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and I got news for ALL Y'ALL: We all are in glass houses.
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real-total-drama-takes · 10 months
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Pahkitew island/Ridonculous Race hc's because I forgot those seasons existed in my other posts-🦆
-Scarlett breaks out of prison within the year of being sentenced. And this may be wishful thinking but I like to believe she gets away with it and escapes the country.
-two years after the show Max also goes to prison. not even for something evil, it was because he got involved in a start up company that was actually a scam. He wasn't supposed to be in there for more than a few months but he got stabbed in the showers and bled out before receiving treatment
-Jeff and Brody don't even know each other. It's weird how Geoff's character switches so much between World Tour and here so I think it's entirely phoney. Bridgette was supposed to be his partner but pulled out last second, so he paid some random actor to join him
-nearly immediately after getting home from the show Bridgette tells him she wants a divorce.
-Jay and Mickey are gonna live together until one/both of them die (which will probably be soon). I think they at least get into their forties living this weird Wes Anderson esc hell where they're both too afraid of change to leave but both uncomfortable still living with their brother as adults. And then when they're fifty I think one will kill the other.
-okay I know the creator said none of the total drama characters are homophobic... But this isn't technically total drama. Anyway I think MacArthur holds a majority of xenophobias, and the editors has to cut out roughly an hours worth of content from the final episodes because she kept saying weird shit.
-Samey and Amy are the complete opposite of Jay and Mickey. As soon as it's possible they plan to never speak to each other again, but keep getting forced to interact. I think it also ends with one of them trying to kill the other but like over their rich dad's will.
-Ella isn't a Disney adult but eventually evolves into one. +Swiftie +Harry Potter fan
-"Sugar" is actually a drag queen who nobody ever questioned, and just stayed in character for mo this at a time.
-this isn't a character headcanons but more like world headcanons ig. I feel like by the time ridiculous race/pahkitew island came out the total drama crazy had died slightly so most of them who weren't on previous seasons wouldn't really be famous. At least not as famous as gen 1/gen 2.
-Topher though does decently, he never gets to host total drama or even any real reality show but he does get popular on like in universe twitch equivalent. He saves up money for years to do a Livestream version of total drama which gets copyright strikes within the hour. He cries for hours when he hears Chris dies and screams at his mods to permaban everyone copy and pasting the "smoking on that McClain pack" copypasta.
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ask-serendipity-sky · 11 months
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People who are remarking on how we don't see them in public anymore but used to and asking why their behaviour has suddenly changed - I have a theory. I have no evidence for the theory but I have it though 😭
I understand people's skepticism about being told that as enlistment approaches, they have to be more careful - but that's a fact. There's also an additional thing that happened from late 2022. We've spent so many years not knowing a single possible relationship of the tannies apart from rumors which were less than substantial. JK got into a scandal just because he was physically close to a girl but again that was flimsy.
However last year, one of the tannies relationships did get leaked and leaked in a privacy violating way where clear private pics of them hanging out together came out. You can't tell me that if jikook were an actual closeted couple that existed in this group, they wouldn't be affected by that. Taennie are both popular and the relationship didn't have anything unacceptable with it on the surface (by which I mean things like age difference etc were all ok) and yet they both still got hate after the reveal. I'm sure jikook were horrified on behalf of Tae but imagine what might go through their mind as someone whose relationship would be looked down on in their socially conservative country even if they weren't two of the most famous individuals in SoKor. I would probably cut back on all the things I can control like hanging out in public. And if I'm not mistaken, I feel like her group members also changed their approaches a bit this year as well but in the opposite way by being more open about their relationships (something that's not an option of jikook).
I could be completely wrong. Maybe they're on a break. Maybe they're dating others. Maybe they just don't have a traditional relationship. I'm just saying there's a lot of things that are going on in these guys lives that could explain how they could be in a long term romantic relationship even as we see less and less of them.
Hi anon,
I think this completely valid and realistic. Not only for jikook but all the guys saw the reaction army had towards Tae and Jennie. It makes anyone want to keep things on the down low. People still attack Jennie and will attack a non celebrity too. People doesn't love BTS the way they say they do.
Like you said, things for jikook are even more difficult because they are in a homophobic country....and their careers depend on people supporting them.
There are just too many things that could be happening. If we want to be realistic (we do but others don't), it's better to not jump into conclusions and see how the future plays out after the military.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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beevean · 1 year
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"gay ships aren't allowed to simply exist, but are touted as Representation and thus Extremely Important Activism To Take Super Seriously."
This. So much this. Every single time we get a non-heterosexual character or ship in fiction (insert the "disney reveals their TOTALLY FIRST openly gay character" meme here), the fandom zeitgeist treats them as a gift from heavens to be coddled and protected at all costs because shipping people that don't exist equals political activism now?? (Granted you also have Real People Fiction with it's own brand of shipping which some stans may even try to enforce in real life) Also doesn't help is the amount of projection usually involved in the idolization of said character/pairs, to the point where you can almost tell those people wouldn't care about them in the first place if they weren't lgbt. So much for the "literally me" way of character appreciation.
Yeah.
Equating shipping a gay character with being progressive, or worse equating not liking a gay ship with being homophobic, is shortsighted. First of all, there are many other reasons for someone to dislike something that have nothing to do with serious discrimination, especially something as a ship which can be disliked for reasons as petty as "I don't like the fanbase". Second, there used to be a time where it actually wasn't too uncommon for yaoi fangirls to be severely homophobic IRL :P wow, it's almost like your tastes in fiction aren't 1:1 with your personality and morality! In both senses! (much like nowadays it's not too uncommon that fans of cute fluffy things are extremely nasty creatures IRL)
You kind of touched on an interesting phenomenon at the end: the "literally me" way of character appreciation is actually backwards compared to how you would expect. Some fans don't appreciate a character because "they're just like me", but they almost force said character to be "like them". So this is how you get "X character has Y neurodivergency because they behave in a way and I also behave in this way and I am Y so X is Y they are just like me!" And yeah, I just can't get behind this approach. Yes, I do enjoy characters written to be explicitly relatable, but you can perfectly like other characters to be ideal. Or you might like villains because they're cool, even if they commit atrocities! Not everything has to be about you.
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