#non-disordered system

[manyminded]

please be normal abt endogenic systems and polyfrag systems and fictive heavy systems and systems w/o fictives and non-disordered systems etc etc etc. I’m tired

[theswiftheartsystem]

Non-disordered plurality vs. Endogenic plurality: what’s the difference? (FAQ system edition)

What is plurality?

in its simplest form (it’s more complex then this, but this is at its simplest) the experience of multiple beings within one body. The most main stream form that gets talked about is DID, but there is many other forms of plurality. Within the mental health field, systems may also be diagnosed with OSDD-1, UDD, P-DID, (when it comes to labels for plurality at least, misdiagnosis is unfortunately very common as well) typically these get associated with traumagenic plurality, but this isn’t always the case since they are ultimately labels to help categorize plurality in a medical sense. Also not every system falls under these categories!

What’s endogenic plurality?

Endogenic plurality is typically a system who identifies that the system they are apart of was not formed from trauma. This isn’t always the case though! Systems can be Endogenic and traumagenic at the same time. Often times this gets called Multigenic, Mixed Origin, and/or Traumaendo. Also while some systems may identify as fully endogenic, this does not mean they don’t have trauma.

What’s traumagenic?

Traumagenic is a system formed from trauma, it is often associated with childhood trauma, but this isn’t always the case. Once again, traumagenic systems can be endogenic at the same time!

What’s “disordered plurality”?

All this term means is that the system in question deals with significant distress from plurality. This can be caused by amnesia, mental illness, society, not being used to being plural, and many, many other factors. Non-disordered means the person is not dealing with significant distress from the fact they are plural.

So what’s the difference?

Anyone can feel distress from being plural. A endogenic system may be considered a disordered system for many reasons, like maybe they are struggling to manage the fact they are plural along with depression, or they feel a lot of internalized shame and fear about it.

Non-disordered plurality just means the system is not in significant distress from being plural. This can range from a system functioning perfectly fine, to healing trauma, and healing amnesia barriers enough to function well.

Non-disordered plurality simply is functioning in a healthy manner with headmates, while endogenic plurality is referring to how the system originally formed. It’s something that will and does fluctuate overtime.

-Elliot

[kpopwerewolf]

All systems are welcome to interact!

[radinclus-plural]

Endogenic Disordered Plural flag

A flag for disordered endogenic plurals! This includes:

Mixed origin disordered systems who are partially endogenic

Systems that formed before developing a system-forming disorder (such as systems who've been there since birth)

Disordered systems who no longer have headmates formed due to their disorder (eg. the only remaining headmates are created)

Disordered systems who never had traumagenic headmates because their system-forming disorder isn't trauma-exclusive

and many more experiences!

[luminary-syscourse]

Hello! This is our syscourse account! (We block most anti-endos though so I guess this is just for reblogs more than anything lol)

Our syscourse code is: 👍/❤️/📘/🔸️/💭/🌖/🟥/🌲/🌤/🥧/🐊/🐌/🐳

We understand that these things make a lot of people uncomfortable so this sideblog exists to separate the posts for the sake of our followers!

We are Pro-Endo!! We believe that any system is valid.

No, we do not believe in system travel/systravel.

No, we do not believe in alter trading.

Yes, we are endogenic (mixed-origins more specifically.)

Yes, we are self diagnosed.

No, we do not want a diagnosis.

Yes, we believe in non-disordered plurality.

Yes, we consider ourselves non-disordered.

Yes, we use the term sysmed.

Yes, we are trans.

Don't interact if you're just going to fake claim and yell, please only interact if you are going to have an actual convention with us.

[dreamdropsystem]

We always talk about how autistic adults are adults, and that's true. but shoutout to the autistics that :

age regress

pet regress

don't feel human

are age stunted by trauma

who feel like a teen/child for whatever reason

who want to be a child again

age sliders in a system

littles in a system

middles in a system

[nyctocollective]

shout out to all the systems that formed from “unusual” trauma or trauma that's never talked about in this community - being bullied, sibling abuse or abuse from someone that's not your parent, near death experience(s), medical abuse, and anything and everything else

you're all valid. the child's brain is incredibly fragile and everyone is traumatized differently. just because your trauma wasn't from a parent, doesn't make you any less valid.

i wish more people spoke about the other sources of trauma

[councilsys]

system ask game for traumagenic systems <3

I: basics

❤️ - what type of CDD do you have?

🧡 - are you medically recognised/diagnosed? if not, do you plan to? (no judgement either way!)

💛 - if you are comfortable sharing, what is your headcount? do you keep track of it?

💚 - do you have a high or low split tolerance?

💙 - do you switch frequently or do you go longer periods between switching?

💜 - does your system have introjects of any kind?

🩷 - do you have any subsystems?

II: alters

🎥 - who are your frequent fronters?

📼 - do you have any non-human alters? if yes, which species are the majority of them?

🎞️ - do the alters in your system use more medical coined roles or more community coined roles? or both/neither? do you find them useful?

📽️ - are the alters in your system more distinct or less distinct from each other?

📺 - do you make/buy gifts to other alters in the systems?

🎙️ - does the taste in music vary a lot between different alters?

📻 - does your system have any type of in system relationships? (familial, romantic, platonic etc.)

III: switching

☀️ - how much amnesia do you experience?

🌙 - do you experience black out amnesia?

⚡️ - what does switching feel like for you? does it vary between alters?

☄️ - do you experience quick switches or does it take longer to switch usually?

🌈 - do you get frontstuck often? what do you do to try to get ‘un-stuck’?

☁️ - do you ever not notice you’ve switched, and suddenly realise that ‘you haven’t been you’ for a while?

💦 - can you switch ‘on command’ or is that something that is hard for your system? does it depend on the alter?

IV: headspace

🌱 - do you have a headspace? if yes, describe it! if no, do you want one?

🌿 - how easily accessed is your headspace?

☘️ - is there a place in your headspace where dormant alters go?

🌳 - do alters have their own rooms/areas in your headspace?

🌵 - is your headspace big, or smaller? is it complex/less complex?

🍃 - do you have specific alters that cannot access headspace at all?

🪴 - did you have to build your headspace over time, or was it just there?

V: general

🍭 - how did you pick your system name?

🍪 - do you have a collective name/identity/orientation? if yes, how did your system make those decisions?

🍬 - what’s the funniest thing another alter has said to you? (internally or externally communicated)

🍫 - how does your system handle in system disagreements in general?

🧁 - is there anyone specific in your system you don’t get along with?

🍰 - are you ‘out’ as a system to anyone? (online friends/partners etc. count!)

🍦 - how good is your communication with the rest of the system? does it vary much between different alters?

🍡 - are different alters part of different subcultures? which ones? (we are!)

remember that this is just for fun, and if anything feels invasive you do not have to answer the question! feel free to replace any question with a fun fact about your system or anything if you don’t feel like answering something! take care🫶🏻

[enchantingducktheorist]

Who else has a system account when most people in their life doesn't know you're a system 🙋‍♂️

[sirenium]

Shoutout to DID systems who aren't anti endo.

Shoutout to disordered systems in general who don't think their experience is the only valid system experience.

[cbsystem]

When I start getting upset over something that doesn't matter to me:

[neuroticboyfriend]

guess i learned the hard way that repressing my plurality for literal years can end up causing PNES. so here's your warning not to repress dissociative disorders. or plurality in general since I'm not saying this can't happen to non-dissociative systems.

[theplatforms]

You're using "reclaim" wrongly.

It's come to my attention that anti-endos do not know what "reclaim" means, so let me explain. Reclaiming is the act of a group of people taking a word, phrase or term, etc., that was previously used against them in a negative way and then making it into something positive for themselves instead.

Examples include:

Queer

Faggot

Dyke

Tranny

Shi/hir (Prns for the intersex community)

Etc.! (I can say all these things and ofc anyone can say shi/hir but must be intersex to use them for themself, anyone can say queer)

You are not being insulted by or attacked by innocent lgbtq/mogai terms pro-endos have made that have literally nothing to do with you neither are being used against you, etc.

You cannot "reclaim" these. You can coin a term similar, but you're not reclaiming if you just repost these with new flags or something. You're genuinely just straight up stealing and it's not okay and it's not cute and it's harmful to misuse that word, acting like you have the right to do this. I haven't seen any pro-endos do this so maybe it's just ignorant anti-endos once again feeling the need to in any possible way shape or form harass pro-endogenics but if any pro-endos are doing this as well I also advise you to stop. Like literally please stop.

Stop misusing the word reclaim to defend stealing terms. You look like a fool and you are a thief. Anyways, anyone can use our terms or coin ones similar, but not stolen. I cannot make you, but hopefully if anyone actually cares about morals, anti-endo or whatever else, that they'll heed my words. Have a nice day everyone.

Reposts encouraged but not forced!

(Don't harass anybody doing this as well if you care about morals, you aren't helping, just inform them and move on, you cannot convince a fool to see sense by being a jerk yourself.)

[plural-culture-is]

Nondisordered voluntary system host with depersonalization/derealization issues completely separate from being a system host culture is being very annoyed when people— even in spaces that are supposed to be friendly to nondisordered and voluntary plurals— talk about dissociation and plurality like they're always the same thing. They're not. Not for everyone. Definitely not for us.

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[flagsandtags]

Dolltive

alters of a system whos sourced from a doll/plushy/stuffy [ENDOS DNI]

Flag recoined by Saturn !! (Original supports tulpagenics)

Pinterest link

[echoes-in-the-multiverse]

Dissociative Seizures

Educational post. Trigger warnings: Medical equipment and description of seizure. 

Written by Tom and Blade.

Why will we cover this? 

Although dissociative seizures are not exclusive for those with dissociative disorders. Some people with dissociative disorders will have seizures.

A dissociative seizure is named differently in different parts of the world. 

I will be referring to them as dissociative seizures or Non-epileptic attack disorder (NEAD). 

However, may also be seen as a one of the many symptoms/types of Functional neurological disorders (FND) its matching term in the ICD-11 is Dissociative neurological symptom disorder. And this post will focus specifically on only the non epileptic seizures. 

It is also known as Psychogenic non-epileptic seizures (PNES), Non-epileptic seizures, and Psychogenic seizures.

If you have known these as "pseudo seizures", it is asked that this is no longer a term that should be used because the name suggests that the seizures are not real or faked by the individual having them or cannot have an ever lasting impact.

What causes a dissociative seizure?

Unlike epileptic seizures they are not caused by abnormal electrical activity in the brain.

A person can get triggered by sensations, thoughts, emotions and difficult situations. Memories of painful events can suddenly come into thoughts or awareness or a build up of stress can happen in a moment. The dissociative seizure can happen as a way to cut off stress or bad memories so that they are not relieved. This can cause a person to start to dissociate. This is when they will feel disconnected from the world around them or make it seem like the world is not real. The brain will "shut down" to protect itself from overwhelming stress. The seizure then happens because the emotional reaction of the person becomes physical.  It is known that extreme emotional distress can cause illnesses and disorders such as non epileptic seizures. 

Some people who have dissociative seizures have them caused by traumatic events. For some they may happen after the event or for others they could start years later. They may start to happen suddenly with no apparent reason at the moment. However, in some people they can be caused by the build up of stress overtime.

When seizures start they can be triggered by stressful or frightening events, even the worry of having a seizure can trigger one. They could also occur spontaneously in non stressful events. Patients may not be able to understand why seizures happen as for some it is hard to recognise the level of stress they are feeling.

What do dissociative seizures look like?

Dissociative seizures can look different from person to person.

You could have episodes of uncontrolled movements, sensations or behaviour. Some dissociative seizures may look more like epileptic seizures or may look more like fainting. Someone may have palpitations, sweat, hyperventilate and have a dry mouth. Someone may fall on the ground or have jerking and shaking movements either on one side or the whole body. A person may lose control of their bladder or bowels and may also bite their tongue. Some people may go unresponsive to people around them and may stare and go blank.

Having seizures caused by a delayed response to a traumatic event may be a part of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). In these seizures a person may have flashbacks, scream or cry and they may not remember the seizure afterwards.

Diagnosis of dissociative seizures.

A specialist will have many ways to tell whether the seizures are epileptic or not. The doctor may be able to tell from detailed descriptions of the seizures or a video of one happening. However, a doctor may ask someone to have an electroencephalogram (EEG) to determine whether electrical changes occur within the person's brain during a seizure. It may also be suggested for a person to have a video-telemetry. This could be done as an inpatient in a hospital or at home. A person will wear EEG equipment for a few days and is linked to a camera. This means that during a seizure the EEG and a video of it happening can be taken at the same time. 

Brain scans such as Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) or Computed Tomography Scan (CT) scans may also be done to rule out any neurological cause for these seizures. 

Treatment for dissociative seizures.

Patients may also be asked to see a psychiatrist or psychologist. They can offer Treatment such as psychotherapy, stress-reduction (such as relaxation and biofeedback training), and personal support to help you cope with their seizures. 

Talking therapy is useful to understand if there are triggers for the seizures and ways to manage these triggers in daily life. Cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) is often recommended.

Medication will not help treat non epileptic seizures so they will only be suggested if the patient also has epileptic seizures. Taking medication for non epileptic seizures can cause side effects and do not benefit the person.

It is recommended to keep a normal daily routine. And to make sure that their family and friends are aware and understand. This will mean they will likely be able to help the person in a seizure and prevent harm.

First aid for dissociative seizures (Outsider's perspective):

DO:

- Make sure the person is safe. This can include moving objects away from them. If the person is lying on the floor, put a cushion/something soft under their head.

- Speak Calmly and in a reassuring way to the person

- Non epileptic seizures do not cause damage to the brain no matter how long it happens BUT if you are not sure if it is a dissociative seizure and lasts more than 5 minutes an ambulance must be called. If it is epileptic then a seizure longer than 5 minutes can damage the brain. (Again important to note this is advice given by the NHS of the UK)

- Stay with the person until they have recovered

DO NOT:

- Do not restrain the person. This can cause injury and make the seizure worse.

- Do not put anything in the person's mouth 

- Do not attempt to give medication

Self-help tips:

- Write down how you are feeling

- Continue to live normally and not become over cautious. This can help to speed up recovery. It is important to talk to your employer about these seizures and make clear your colleagues know what to do as well.

- Eat and Sleep well

- Build up self confidence

- Green exercise is a great way to boost your mood by being outside even if it is for a short while. Going for a walk outside.

- Fitness programmes can be found online and most can be done from your home 

- Remaining positive 

The sources we have used for this information also have more information on disability rights and benefits for those with dissociative seizures. And on driving regulations. However, these are only applicable to the UK. 

Resources we have used to create this article:

Epilepsy Society: https://epilepsysociety.org.uk/about-epilepsy/what-epilepsy/non-epileptic-seizures

Epilepsy Action: https://www.epilepsy.org.uk/info/seizures/dissociative-seizures-non-epileptic-attack-disorder-nead

Sheffield Teaching Hospital document: https://www.sth.nhs.uk/clientfiles/File/pd3922_NonEpilepticSeizures.pdf

Non-Epileptic Attacks: https://sites.google.com/sheffield.ac.uk/non-epileptic-attacks/home.

Further information:

People's experiences: 

Documentary film https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA1EYAg9y5k. Photosensitive Epilepsy Trigger Warning at (9:14 - 9:30 ) and at (45:25 - 46:18)

Websites for more information: 

NeuroKid: https://www.neurokid.co.uk/ - This is a website for children and young people with dissociative seizures but also has information for parents of these children. The website is also available in French at https://www.neurokid.co.uk/fr/.

Non-Epileptic Attacks: https://sites.google.com/sheffield.ac.uk/non-epileptic-attacks/home. A page written by professionals. They have more resources and go into more detail about the self help we have addressed.

FNH Hope UK: https://www.fndhope.org.uk/about-fnd-hope/fnd-hope-uk/. Has fundraising challenges across the UK. They also have online classes such as dance, painting, mindful meditation and yoga.

Charities:

FND Action: https://www.fndhope.org.uk/about-fnd-hope/fnd-hope-uk/. They can provide ID cards for those in the UK struggling with dissociative seizures. 

Brain Charity: https://www.thebraincharity.org.uk/condition/non-epileptic-attack-disorder/. Provides Emotional support and social support for those in the UK and has a helpline. 

Trigger warnings: Medical equipment and description of seizure. Educational post.