#batman and robin (2009) 21

[batfam-belfry]

Damian and Dick being brothers 🥰

[ashoss]

a brief explanation and probably incomplete timeline of the batgirls bc i’ve seen a lot of people flip flop between their (mostly cass and stephs) names (i got a bit sidetracked with this.. whoops)

bette/betty kane: bat-girl, flamebird, hawkfire

the silver age batgirl. she was introduced along side kathy kane’s batwoman. these two would become kate and bette, the modern batwoman and flamebird/hawkfire

sometimes her run is mentioned, sometimes not, other times it’s a passing joke

young justice 1998 #21

she becomes flamebird and joins teen titans (titans west) for a bit. she sticks around as flamebird until kate kane's batwoman run (batwoman 2011)

kate trains her as plebe

batwoman (2011) #1

and then she becomes hawkfire under the DEO

batwoman (2011) #16, #17

i think dc forgot abt her lowkey

barbara gordon: batgirl, oracle

probably the batgirl you think of when you hear batgirl. she took bette’s place in 1967 and is still somehow stuck in the roll.

secret origins 1986 #20

she gets shot in the killing joke (1988), paralyzing her and leading her to become oracle.

batman chronicles #5

she goes back to batgirl around the n52, along with her own solo (batgirl 2011) and being sometimes batgirl sometimes oracle in batgirls 2022 which seems to be the grey area she’s still stuck in. (with her being batgirl in some of the modern nightwing stuff, but sometimes filling the oracle roll in dc and batman)

helena bertinelli: huntress, batgirl/the bat

she names herself batgirl (or more realistically The bat) during no mans land while bruce was gone. gotham needed a bat.

batman: shadow of the bat #83

however bruce does come back eventually. and lets her stick around but still doesnt fully trust her.

detective comics #732

barbara was actually unaware of it at first and has a very reasonable crash out bc ok bruce

batman: legends of the dark knight #120

she didn’t last long as batgirl, he takes her suit and gives it to cassandra in the same issue.

cassandra cain: batgirl, black bat, orphan, kasumi

takes over after helena and sticks around as batgirl until 2009

batman: legends of the dark knight #120

she mostly stays as batgirl during her run, except for a small run she had undercover in justice league: elite as an assassin named Kasumi. it falls right before war games in the timeline. during the bruce is dead era cass gives her suit to stephanie and she becomes batgirl. (same suit passed down from helena to cass to steph lmao. poor steph.)

batgirl 2009 #1

its in this era where the whole “cass in hong kong” bit starts up. shes there for a good chunk of the batgirl/red robin 2009 era.

red robin #17

at first she's there unnamed, and then taking on the black bat name during batman incorporated before she shows up again in red robin with that name.

batman incorporated #6

she doesnt stay black bat for too long, taking up the name orphan in batman and robin eternal (taking the name from david. for some reason).

batman and robin eternal #26

she was orphan for the rebirth era until she takes up the batgirl mantle again for batgirls 22 along with stephanie and barbara.

stephanie brown: spoiler, robin, batgirl

famously takes up the name spoiler to spoil her fathers crimes

detective comics #647

she stays as spoiler until around 2004 when war drums/war games happen and she takes up the robin mantle after tim retires.

robin 1993 #126

war games happens, she dies, comes back, and its revealed she didnt actually die!! leslie thompkins actually helped fake her death and she was in africa for a bit,,, but she is back to being spoiler after being fired and almost killed!

her relationship with the rest of the batfam is mostly strained during this time; tim, barbara and dick constantly telling her to get out of the line of duty however cass still entrusts her with her batgirl suit and the title. (batgirl 2009 #1)

batgirl 2009 #4

it would take her 4 issues to get her own suit tho. babs was very unsure of working with stephanie again esp with how she had died/almost died last time.

she stays batgirl until the n52, and then is back to spoiler during rebirth.

she stays as spoiler until joker war where both she and cass take the batgirl name again (batgirls 2022)

honourable mentions:

charlie gage radcliffe

birds of prey 1999 #99

a meta who called herself batgirl because "gotham needs a batgirl". she knows the identity of the birds of prey, calling them all by their first name. babs tries to keep her from being a vigilante by showing her images from stephanie's death in war games to which she listens. saying that she'll at least drop the batgirl mantle. so.

tiffany fox

batgirl: futures end

part of a ... league of batgirls? with stephanie and cassandra? while... babs is dosed with? bane venom>???? and becomes bête noire (the black beast).... ok. tbh tiffany as batgirl is the only good thing abt this comic

harley quinn

harley quinn 2000 #10

theres some contract on harley and ignoring the easier way of her just skipping town, she becomes batgirl!

if you ignore weird comments she makes towards tim its a pretty fun comic with some good interactions between tim, cass, dick and babs. esp since its with a cass pretty early in her batgirl run. its only issues 10 and 11 :P

anyway hope yall enjoyed :3

[petrerpkr]

Jason todd reading order

For more info here /& /here

Batman #357-#399 (1983-1986)

Batman #402-416(1986)

Detective Comics #524-#567 (1983-1986)

Detective Comics #568-#582(1986)

Nightwing Vol. 2 #101 -106(2005)

Batman #424-429(1988)(Batman: A Death in the Family)

Batman: A Lonely Place of Dying (1989)

Red Hood: Lost Days (2010)

Batman: Under the Red Hood Batman #635-641, #645-50, & Batman Annual #25(2005)

Green Arrow Vol. 3 #69-72(2007)

Nightwing Vol. 2 #118-122(2006)

Batman RIP(2008)

Robin (Vol.2) #175-183(2008)

Batman: Battle for the Cowl(2009)

Batman and Robin #1-6 + 23-25(2009)

Red Hood and the Outlaws vol 1 #0-20(2011)

Batman Incorporated #0-6(2012)

Batman Incorporated #7-13 + Batman Incorporated Special #1(2013)

Death of the Family(2013)

Red Hood and the Outlaws Annual #1 (2013)

Batman and Robin (Vol. 2) #20(2013)

Red Hood and the Outlaws #21-40(2013) + Red Hood and the Outlaws Annual #2(2014)

Red Hood/Arsenal (2015)

Batman and Robin Eternal(2015)

Batman and Robin #33–37 (2014 – 2015)

Batman Eternal(2015)

Robin war

Red Hood and the Outlaws: Rebirth #1 (2016)

Red Hood and the Outlaws Vol. 2 #1-13 (2016)

Red Hood and the Outlaws Vol. 2 Annual #1 (2017)

Red Hood and the Outlaws Vol. 2 #14-25

Red Hood and the Outlaws Vol. 2 Annual #2(2018)

Red Hood and the Outlaws Vol. 2 #26(2018)

Red Hood: Outlaw #27-36 (2018)+Red Hood: Outlaw Annual 3(2019)

Event Leviathan(2019)

Red Hood: Outlaw #37-52(2019)

Joker War(2020)

Batman: Urban Legends #1-6 (2021)

Robin #5(2021)

Nightwing Annual (2021)

Task Force Z #1-12(2021)

The Joker : The Man Who Stopped Laughing 1-6 (2022)

Batman – Legends of Gotham (2023)

Lazarus Planet: Next Evolution (2023)

Knight Terrors: Robin (2023)

Red Hood – The Hill(2024)

[theotherpacman]

BAT TIMELINE

is this timeline canon? no. but can any timeline be considered truly canon? checkmate

1967 - Bruce is born

1975 - Thomas and Martha Wayne are murdered

1982 - Dick and Barbara are born

1988 - Jason is born

1989 - Cass is born

1990 - Bruce (23) becomes Batman

1992 - Tim and Stephanie are born

1994 - Flying Graysons are killed, Bruce (27) adopts Dick (12) who becomes Robin

1995 - Duke is born

1996 - Bruce (29) has sex with Talia Al Ghul

1997 - Damian is born

1998 - Babs (16) becomes Batgirl

2000 - Dick (18) moves out, Jason (12) is adopted, becomes Robin

2003 - Jason (15) dies, Tim (11) becomes Robin, Babs (21) is paralyzed and becomes Oracle

2006 - Jason (18) comes back to Gotham, Cass (17) arrives in Gotham, becomes Batgirl, Steph (14) becomes Spoiler

2007 - Tim (15) goes away to boarding school, Steph (15) becomes Robin

2008 - Tim (16) comes back to Gotham, takes up Robin again, Steph (16) becomes Batgirl, Cass (19) becomes Black Bat

2009 - Bruce vanishes, Duke (14) fights some crime in Batman’s absence, then Dick (27) becomes Batman, Damian (12) becomes Robin, Tim (17) becomes Red Robin

2010 - Bruce comes back, adopts Duke (15)

this is the timeline that I'm gonna use when I write fics. maybe one of you will find it useful (or at least interesting)

I AM AWARE that canon is different. if canon was fucking possible to follow then I'd use that timeline ok

fuck canon anyway I ignore half of it

peace and love!

[mayamarvil]

Bring me back to this era 😭😭

Batman & Robin (2009-) #21

[celaenaeiln]

Hiii, I don't really know if you made a post about this or not, but can I ask what you think of damian and dick's relationship? you have a really deep insight on the bat family's relationship, so I'm curious on how you would describe those two

Damian and Dick are probably the most important to each other in the family with the other being each other's most favorite person in the world. Dick is Damian's father, brother, mentor, and best friend. Actually it's reflective of Dick's relationship with Bruce but none of the toxic expectations and brute force of misplaced responsibilities.

Dick is loving and understanding of Damian and he's able to read him before Damian can even express his words.

For example, when the Black Lantern things open the caskets of Martha and Thomas Wayne, Dick asks Damian to help him wrap up the bodies but-

Blackest Night: Batman Issue #1

He's able to anticipate and take care of Damian before Damian can even tell him what he's thinking. That's the level of love and understanding Dick has of him.

Damian is insanely protective over Dick. When Deadman, Boston Brand, jumps into Dick, Damian gets super protective of his Batman.

Blackest Night: Batman Issue #1

Also Dick CANNOT STAND IT when someone hurts or insults Damian.

Blackest Night: Batman Issue #1

Honestly I think Dick loves Damian's sass. Even when he says he wants to kill people Dick's just like, "not today another day kiddo" which is just super heartwarming when you hear their banter.

Anyways, Dick and Damian have the funniest back and forth!

Batman and Robin (2009) Issue #21

Damian values each and every word of Dick's.

Batman: Streets of Gotham Issue #1

While Damian respects Batman for what he created and wants to be appreciated as his son, Damian just loves Dick for who he is. I know some people think Bruce may be jealous of Dick and Damian's relationship, and while it's possible, I think Bruce is just super proud and happy. His greatest joy in life comes from Dick succeeding and he would have found it weird if Dick and Damian didn't get along because he inherently believes that Dick is the peak of goodness.

What I love most about Dick and Damian is that Damian is always shown as a loveable kid when he's with Dick. In the Batman and Robin (2011) comics with Bruce and Damian vs the Batman and Robin (2009) comics with Dick and Damian, Damian is much softer. Part of this comes from Bruce's refusal to treat him as robin originally, but their interactions are more stilted than the easy-going and funny ones between Damian and his big brother. But here's where it gets interesting. The writers write the characters in terms of how they would react to each other. What perception they would have of each other. So subconsciously the writers are creating the characters based on how they look at each other - meaning, Dick only sees Damian's good sides and finds his darker ones humorous whereas Bruce sees more of Damian's darker sides and has to rework himself to acknowledge Damian's growth.

I find that so fascinating how a character's personality in accordance with their relationships feeds back into the writer's writing rather than the writer influencing the relationships.

The most Dick has said about Damian willing to kill criminals is-

Batman: Streets of Gotham Issue #3

Another reason why Damian values Dick aside from being on the receiving end of his unconditional love is that Dick treats Damian like an equal. Dick doesn't command Damian to stay at his side at all times, he send Damian to do one task while he finishes up the other half. This indicates the amount of trust and faith he has in Robin's abilities and Damian in turn respects that.

Something that needs to be brought to attention is that just as much as Dick stops Damian from killing people, he is also his number one aiding and abetting partner.

Nightwing (2016) Issue #1

I LOVE THE MEAN LITTLE GRIN ON HIS FACE!!

My favorite part is Dick makes time for Damian just to have fun. He's a mentor and a father, but he's also the best brother someone could ask for.

Nightwing (2016) Issue #4

Honestly Gotham War Issue #138 was so confusing to me because there's just no way Damian would pander mindlessly to receive Bruce's acceptance. He literally broke from Batman to become his own person - he ran away - and suddenly he's back and begging for Bruce's love?? Even fighting over Dick is fine but the lack of connection between them?

Damian is single handedly the most important person in the world to Dick.

Damian is Dick's son.

Robin (2021) Issue #5

I find their relationship special because this is the only in his entire time life that Dick has ever given away a family momento of his own volition first. His parents and his background mean the utmost to him; he cradles the memories with longing and love. But inspite all this, he's giving away the last piece of family history. No, giving away isn't the right word. He's passing down his legacy. Damian is his son, he's literally inheriting the Grayson legacy in the way that only Dick can give. Bruce gave the kids Dick's mantle but he cannot give any of them Dick's history but Dick gave that to Damian. That's beautiful.

He straight up says it too

Nighwing (2016) Issue #20

"When your dad came back, there was a moment I thought it would be better for you if you stayed with me. As my partner. As my..." "Really?" "Yeah."

DC SAID DICK AND DAMIAN FATHER AND SON RIGHTS AS CLOSE AS THEY COULD WITHOUT TAKING AWAY BRUCE'S BLOOD CLAIM.

Damian considers Dick his father.

Nighwing (2016) Issue #18

"Finding a new life. Considering a child to replace me. I don't know what I will be...alone. I need you here, Richard."

"Considering a child to replace me. "

Damian is heartbroken at the idea that Dick will have a kid and move on.

He loves Dick so much he goes all the way to Bludhaven just because he loves and misses him after Bruce took over as Batman.

Nighwing (2016) Issue #20

Batman Incorporated (2012) Issue #8

"Are you with me Nightwing? The odds are completely against us."

"When did we ever let something like that get in the way? Robin the boy wonder, Damian."

Batman Incorporated (2012) Issue #8

"So far I'd say you've been my favorite partner. We were the best, Richard. Not matter what anyone thinks."

Robin (2021) Issue #5

Nightwing (2016) Issue #20

The world can stand against Damian but Dick will always be on his side.

Which is a problem in recent DC works because

Dick & Damian:

og panels Batman & Robin (2009) Issue #17

[jayladfanpage]

JASON TODD MUST-READ COMIC GUIDE :]

ROBIN

Batman (1940) #408-411, #416

Detective Comics (1937) #569-574, #580 & #581

Superman (1939) Annual #11

New Teen Titans (1985) #20, #21

Batman: The Cult (1988)

Batman (1940) #422, #424, #425

Batman: A Death in The Family

Batman: Gotham Knights (2000) #43-45

RED HOOD

Under The Red Hood & Red Hood: Lost Days (I recommend reading Lost Days first, but it's up to you)

Nightwing (1996) #118-122

Green Arrow (2001) #69-72

Batman: Battle for the Cowl & Battle for the Cowl: The Underground (2009)

Task Force Z (2021)

Joker: The Man Who Stopped Laughing (2023)

[pridequest64]

Anarky Reading Order

This is, based of my research the complete reading list in release order for all Anarly Comics as of October 1st 2024. Release dates were used when available but compromises were made with cover date when necessary. If you see anything that is wrong or needs new additions feel free to let me know!

(Comic Vine was a massive help in this Project!)

1. Detective Comics #608 November 1989

2. Detective Comics #609 December 1989

3. Detective Comics #620 August 1990

4. Batman #456 September 18th 1990

5. Detective Comics #627 March 1991

6. Batman Annual #15 April 18th 1991

7. Robin Annual #1 July 23rd 1992

8. Superman & Batman Magazine #1 Q3 1993

9. Batman: Shadow of the Bat #16

10. September 1993

11. Batman: Shadow of the Bat #17 September 1993

12. Batman: Shadow of the Bat #18 October 1993

13. Green Arrow #89 August 1994

14. Batman: Shadow of the Bat Annual #2 September 1994

15. The Batman Adventures #31 April 1995

16. Batman: Shadow of the Bat #40 May 16th 1995

17. The Batman Chronicles #1 May 30th 1995

18. The Batman Adventures #36 October 1st 1995

19. Batman: Shadow of the Bat #41 June 20th 1996

20. Batman: Shadow of the Bat #50 May 1st 1996

21. Batman: Shadow of the Bat #66 September 1st 1997

22. Batman: Shadow of the Bat #67 October 1st 1997

23. Batman: Shadow of the Bat #73 April 1998

24. DCU Heroes Secret Files February 1999

25. Anarky #1 May 1999

26. Anarky #2 June 1999

27. Anarky #3 July 1999

28. Anarky #4 August 1999

29. Anarky #5 September 1999

30. Anarky #6 October 1999

31. Anarky #7 November 1999

32. Anarky #8 December 1999

33. Sins of Youth: JLA, Jr. May 2000

34. Young Justice: Sins of Youth #1 May 2000

35. Young Justice: Sins of Youth #2 May 2000

36. Green Arrow #51 August 2005

37. Robin #181 December 17th 2008

38. Robin #182 January 21st 2009

39. Robin #183 April 1st 2009

40. Red Robin #3 August 12th 2009

41. Red Robin #13 June 3rd 2010

42. Red Robin #15 August 4th 2010

43. Red Robin #16 September 9th 2010

44. Red Robin #17 November 10th 2010

45. Red Robin #18 December 8th 2010

46. Red Robin #19 January 12th 2011

47. Red Robin #20 February 9th 2011

48. Red Robin #21 March 16th 2011

49. Red Robin #22 April 13th 2011

50. Red Robin #23 May 11th 2011

51. Red Robin #24 June 8th 2011

52. Beware the Batman #1 October 23rd 2013

53. Green Lantern Corps #25 November 13th 2013

54. Detective Comics #38 Janurary 7th 2015

55. Detective Comics #39 February 4th 2015

56. Detective Comics #40 March 4th 2015

57. Detective Comics: Endgame March 11th 2015

58. Detective Comics #957 May 24th 2017

59. Detective Comics #963 August 23rd 2017

60. Detective Comics #964 September 13th 2017

61. Detective Comics #966 October 11th 2017

62. Detective Comics #968 November 22nd 2017

63. Detective Comics #970 December 13th 2017

64. Detective Comics #971 December 27th 2017

65. Detective Comics #972 January 10th 2018

66. Detective Comics #973 January 24th 2018

67. Batman: Prelude to the Wedding: Red Hood vs. Anarky June 20th 2018

68. Harley Quinn #61 May 1st 2019

69. Harley Quinn #62 June 5th 2019

70. The Imfected: The Commissioner December 18th 2019

71. DC Nation Presents DC Future State November 24th 2020

72. Future State: The Next Batman #1 Janurary 5th 2021

73. I Am Batman #1 September 14th 2021

74. I Am Batman #2 October 12th 2021

75. Robins #4 February 15th 2022

76. Detective Comics #1054 February 22nd 2022

77. Batman: Urban Legends #22 December 20th 2022

[robinvomit]

hi kal!!

what damian wayne comics would you recommend? I’ve read a couple but I just want to know more about his character.

thanks love ❤️

Hi, love 💕💕

There's so many.. okokokok.

☆ Batman and Robin, 2009 - 2011. Outside of author and writing conflicts, this is a good basis for Damian. Snarky little shit struggling to be.. I suppose, human. Lonely boy. ( You also learn here that Talia used the Lazarus Pit on him several times when he was young. A good bit of Talia's writing was commented on and removed, however, that part is still canon! )

bonus: his interactions with dick(batman)

☆ Batman and Robin, 2011 - 2015. You can literally feel how much Damian is loved in the writing for this. Lot of growth and also one of the main relationships growths with Bruce. This set has like.. some of the best emotional depth and digging into Damian's character, imo.

bonus: this is also his death and resurrection arc.

☆ Robin: Son of Batman, 2015 - 2016. I don't care about anyone else's opinion here, I love this series. I own it in pristine condition and it makes me very soft. I love him.

bonus: goliath 🙌🏻

☆ Super Sons, 2017 - 2018. It makes me so fucking sad dc decided to say fuck this dynamic and jacked Jon right out the fucking window. But, I still like the series — probably because I just enjoy seeing them interact like actual.. idk.. kids, for a good bit. Like.. this is prime happy Damian.

bonus: basically just seeing their friendship, it's cute.

☆ Detective Comics, 2016 - 2018. This isn't emotional depth or anything of the sort but you get to see his interactions with the batfam.

bonus: ... if im not mistaken ( i probably am. ), it's within these comics that damian first calls tim his brother? ( there's also ones where tim calls him brother + step brother. )

☆ Teen Titans, 2016 - 2019. If you wanna see him be human, fuck up, look into his control issues ( not related to tim at all. ) and the fact he struggles like hell to say how he feels, especially about protecting people he cares for... this is your go to.

bonus: watching damian struggle with the concept of soft emotions.

☆ Robin, 2021. It's a pretty small run but it's got some emotional digging in it.

bonus: i'd say the style of the storyline and comic are pretty cool.

☆ The Boy Wonder, 2024. I actually just fucking love this series. He's such a moody little shit that talks like a cartoon villain. This is also a .. Black Label comic, soooo....

bonus: idk. dick and babs are together and have a kid + they treat dames like their child otl

♧ Batman and Robin, 2023 - present. I fucking hate this, lmfao. I have not recommended it to literally anyone. All of the characterization sucks actual ass through most of this. It gets on my nerves and that little bitch is v1 Tim 90% of the time. Not to mention, he literally looks like v1 Tim. I hate all of this. I keep up with info for mainline canon reasons but I actually just hate all of it and use it as a prime reason why DC needs new fucking writers who know how to hold a character how it should be. He sucks in this. I do not recommend it, for the most part. It IS a heavily Damian series, so that's the only reason I'd say it's worth looking into but again.. I read most of this as v1 Tim. ( I say, have 21, 22, and 23 on pre-order for the SOLE reason of seeing if they're going to kill him or not. )

[brudamiarchive]

BruDami Reading List

Comics and issues that feature both Bruce and Damian, in chronological order (hopefully, because we all know DC continuity is shit).

Sort by color (dark mode recommended):

Lots of interactions.

Minor interactions.

Indirect interactions (thoughts/mentions/dreams/flashbacks...) or appearing in the same comics but no interactions.

Note: This categorization can be somewhat subjective, but all listed comics are guaranteed to be BruDami-relevant.

Frequently updated.

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Main Continuity

Post-crisis:

Batman (1940) #655-658, #665, #666

Batman: The Resurrection of Ra’s al Ghul

New 52:

Batman and Robin (2009) #16, #20, #23

Batman: The Return

Batman and Robin (2011) #1-17 + annual 1

Batman: The Dark Knight [II] (2011) #10, #12, #14, #15 Goddammit Bruce.

Batman: Death of the Family

Detective Comics (2011) #14

Batman Incorporated (2012) #1-9

Batman and Robin (2011) #18

Batman (2011) #19, #20

Batman and Robin (2011) #19-23, #29-32 + annual 2

Robin Rises: Omega

Batman and Robin (2011) #33-37

Robin Rises: Alpha

Batman and Robin (2011) #38-40 + annual 3

Robin: Son of Batman #1, #9, #11, #12

Batman & Robin Eternal #22, #26

Rebirth:

Nightwing Rebirth

Nightwing (2016) #1, #4, #42

Deathstroke (2016) #4, #5

Superman (2016) #10-11

DC Rebirth Holiday Special

Super Sons (2017) #1, #2-4, #5, #10, #12, #14, #16

Superman (2016) #20, #21, #22, #24-25

Teen Titans (2016) #1-2, #5, #10

Dark Nights Metal #2

Teen Titans (2016) #12

Suicide Squad (2016) #26

Green Arrow (2016) #32

Dark Nights Metal (2016) #3-6

Detective Comics (2016) #975, #1002-1004, #1017, #1027

Deathstroke (2016) #31, #32, #34-35 Bruce's possessiveness is strong here - the only good thing about this crappy arc.

Super Sons (2017) Special

Batman (2016) #16, #17, #33-34, #35, #62, #80-81

Batman: Pennyworth R.I.P Bruce apart.

Robin 80th Anniversary 100-Page Super Spectacular

Teen Titans (2016) #42-43, #44 + annual 2

Detective Comics (2016) #1029-1031, #1032-1033

Batman (2016) #106

Detective Comics (2016) #1034

Robin (2021) #1-3, #9, #12

Shadow War: Alpha

Batman (2016) #122

Deathstroke Inc. #8

Robin (2021) #13

Batman (2016) #123

Deathstroke Inc. #9

Robin (2021) #14

Shadow War: Omega

Robin (2021) #15

Batman vs. Robin (2023) #1-2, #3, #4

Lazarus Planet: Alpha

Lazarus Planet: Omega

Batman vs. Robin (2023) #5

Knight Terrors: Batman #1, #2

Knight Terrors (2023) #3, #4

Knight Terrors: Night's End

Batman (2016) #137, #138

Batman and Robin (2023) #1-7, #8-9, #10-20 + annual 1 Mostly tooth-rotting fluff (basically DC compensating us for whatever tf happened after Alfred's passing I guess).

Batman/Santa Claus: Silent Knight #1, #2-3, #4

Batman/Santa Claus: Silent Knight Returns #1-4, #5

Absolute Power (2024) #1, #2, #4

Detective Comics (2016) #1091-1092, #1093, #1094

Those that I can't quite put in the main timeline but are still canon.

Convergence: Batman and Robin

Batman: One Bad Day - Ra's al Ghul

Justice League: No Justice

Batman (2016) #145-147, #148, #149

Super-Pets Special: Bitedentity Crisis #1

Batman Black and White (2021) #5

Batman: Uncovered

Batman: Urban Legends #20-23

Monkey Prince #1, #2, #4

The Shadow/Batman #1-2, #3, #4-5, #6

Elseworlds and/or non-canon

Damian - Son of Batman #1, #2, #3-4 Not recommended.

Batman: Li'l Gotham (2012) #1-2, #3, #6-7, #8, #9-10, #11, #12, #13-14, #15, #16-18, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24

Dark Nights: The Batman Who Laughs Tell me I'm not the only one who wants to see more of Earth -22 BruDami...

Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2016) #5-6

Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II (2018) #1-2, #3, #4, #5-6

Future State: Gotham (2021) #13-14, #15-18 In which Damian went to hell to search for his father.

Justice League vs Godzilla vs Kong (2023) #2

The Boy Wonder #1-4, #5

Batman and Robin and Howard (2024) #1-2, #3, #4

Batman and Robin and Howard: Summer Breakdown (2024) #1, #2-3

Little Batman: Month One (2024) #1, #2-3, #4 Watch Merry Little Batman before reading for a better experience!

Webtoon

Batman: Wayne Family Adventures

#1, #2, #3, #12, #13, #14, #17, #18, #19, #21, #22, #23, #25, #26, #34, #35, #38, #52, #56, #57, #68, #93, #97, #102, #109, #112, #113, #114, #117, #120, #128, #130, #136, #137, #138, #146, #149, #150, #151

[kiragecko]

Tim and Dick Interaction

Updated version, since Tumblr REALLY doesn't like me editing lists that were made in the old text editor. (The original, the rest of the lists, and a reading guide, are HERE):

Tim to Dick-

CIVILIAN NAME

Dick Grayson - 2 | 11 (Batman 440-42, 1989)

Dick - 71 | 70 (Batman 440-42, 1989)

Grayson - 0 | 2 (Batman 440-42, 1989)

Officer Dick Grayson - 1 | 0 (Nightwing 25, 1998)

CODENAME

Nightwing - 58 | 23 (Batman 440-42, 1989)

Robin - 10 | 11 (Batman 440-42, 1989)

Di – Nightwing - 0 | 1

Former Boy Wonder - 2 | 0 (Young Justice 21, 2000)

Batman - 6 | 3 (Red Robin 11-15, 2010)

FAMILIAL

Big Brother - 2 | 0 (Gotham Knights 33-36, 2002-2003)

Like Brothers - 0 | 1 (Gotham Knights 45-47, 2003)

My Brother - 1 | 0 (Red Robin 11-15, 2010)

OTHER

Pal - 1 | 0 (Batman 512-14, 1994)

Poor Baby - 1 | 0 (Nightwing 68-69, 2002)

Guys - 1 | 0 (Gotham Knights 45-49, 2003-2004)

Dude - 1 | 0 (Nightwing 97, 2004)

The Man - 0 | 1 (Outsiders 25, 2005)

Obi-Wan - 1 | 0 (Nightwing 142-43, 2008)

Captain Kirk - 1 | 0 (Nightwing 142-43, 2008)

Buzz - 1 | 0 (Nightwing 151, 2009)

Marcia - 1 | 0 (Red Robin 11-15, 2010)

INSULTS

You Dirty - 1 | 0 (Detective 723, 1998)

Jerk - 2 | 0 (Legends of the Dark Knight 120, 1999)

Dick to Tim-

CIVILIAN NAME

Tim - 70 | 43 (Batman 440-42, 1989)

Jeff - 1 | 0 (Batman 440-42, 1989)*

Tim Drake - 2 | 3 (New Titans 65, 1989)

Mr. Drake - 1 | 1 (New Titans 65, 1989)

Timothy - 1 | 0 (Secret Origins 80 Page Giant 1, 1999)

Timmy - 2 | 1 (Nightwing 97, 2004)

CODENAME

Robin - 66 | 12 (Shadow of the Bat 29-30, 1992)

Boy Wonder - 6 | 1 (Robin 8, 1994)

"The Boiled Wonder" - 1 | 0 (Detective 727-29, 1998-99)

Boy Basketcase - 1 | 0 (Nightwing 68-69, 2002)

Junior Sidekicks - 1 | 0 (Gotham Knights 45-48, 2003)

"Red Robin" - 1 |0 (Red Robin 11-15, 2010)

Red Robin ... - 0 | 1 (Red Robin 11-15, 2010)

Red Robin - 8 | 4 (Batman 703, 2010)

R. R. - 2 | 0 (Gates of Gotham, 2011)

Batman - 0 | 1 (Gates of Gotham, 2011)

STATUS

Partner - 1 | 0 (Shadow of the Bat 53-54, 1996)

FAMILIAL

Little Brother - 1 | 1 (Secret Origins 80 Page Giant 1, 1999)

The Brother I Came to Save - 0 | 1 (Nightwing 138-40, 2008)

OTHER

Kid - 7 | 3 (New Titans 60-61, 1989)

A Brave Kid - 0 | 1 (Batman 455-56, 1990)

A Good Kid - 1 | 0 (Shadow of the Bat 29-30, 1992)

Buddy - 1 | 0 (Shadow of the Bat 53-54, 1996)

Poor Kid - 0 | 1 (Shadow of the Bat 53-54, 1996)

Pal - 1 | 0 (Nightwing Annual, 1997)

Friend - 1 | 0 (Detective 723, 1998)

Coach - 1 | 0 (Legends of the Dark Knight 120, 1999)

Grasshopper - 1 | 0 (Young Justice 21, 2000)

Sneaky - 1 | 0 (Nightwing 68-69, 2002)

My Young Friend Here - 0 | 1 (Gotham Knights 33-36, 2002-2003)

Gang - 1 | 0  (B: Gotham Knights 49, 2004)

An Earnest Little Computer Geek Too Smart for His Own Good - 0 | 1 (Nightwing 110, 2005)

Chum - 1 | 0 (Nightwing 142-43, 2008)

Man - 2 | 0 (Robin 183, 2009)

Cindy - 1 | 0 (Red Robin 11-15, 2010)

Guys - 1 | 0

INSULTS

(You Little) Twerp - 2 | 0 (Nightwing 25, 1998)

Wiseguy - 1 | 0 (Nightwing 25, 1998)

Wimp - 1 | 0 (Robin 74, 2000)

Comments:

Dick actually took a while to warm up to Tim. They don’t interact much for the first 5 or so years, and Dick doesn’t really joke with Tim at all when they do. It isn’t until the Nightwing series that Dick starts teasing and really enjoying him. 

Also, Tim is FAR to comfortable calling Dick by his first name in the beginning. Like, he totally thinks of them as best friends in his head and that isn’t healthy. He almost never thinks of Dick with any name other than his first for their entire relationship. 

*FINALLY, Dick calls Tim ‘Jeff’ in one of their first encounters. This is a writer’s error - they changed Tim’s name late in the writing process - but I like imagining Dick just messed up his name. He WAS kind of distracted at the time.

[ultrakeencollectionbreadfan]

Chronological List of Batman Elseworlds (1986-2011)

Batman: The Dark Knight Returns (1986-retcon)

Batman: Gotham by Gaslight (1989)

Batman: Digital Justice (1990)

Batman: Master of the Future (1991)

Batman & Dracula: Red Rain (1991)

Batman: The Blue, the Grey, and the Bat (1992)

Batman/Dark Joker: The Wild (1993)

Batman/Houdini: The Devil’s Workshop (1993)

Robin 3000 (1993)

Batman: Bloodstorm (1994)

Batman: Castle of the Bat (1994)

Batman: In Darkest Knight (1994)

Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight Annual #4 (1994)

Detective Comics Annual #7 (1994)

Batman Annual #18 (1994)

Batman: Shadow of the Bat Annual #2 (1994)

Catwoman Vol. 2 Annual #1 (1994)

Robin Vol. 2 Annual #3 (1994)

Batman: Brotherhood of the Bat (1995)

Batman: Man-Bat (1995)

Superman & Batman: Doom Link (1995)

Batman: KnightGallery (1996)

Batman: Dark Allegiances (1996)

Batman: Scar of the Bat (1996)

Batman Annual #20 (1996)

Detective Comics Annual #9 (1996)

Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight Annual #6 (1996)

Batman: Shadow of the Bat Annual #4 (1996)

Robin Annual #5 (1996)

Catwoman Annual #3 (1996)

Batman: Dark Knight Dynasty (1997)

Batman: Masque (1997)

Elseworld’s Finest (1997)

Batgirl and Robin: Thrillkiller (1997)

The Batman Chronicles #11 (1997)

Batman: Crimson Mist (1998)

Elseworld’s Finest: Supergirl & Batgirl (1998)

Batgirl and Batman: Thrillkiller ’62 (1998)

Batman: Two Faces (1998)

Batman: I, Joker (1998)

Batman: Reign of Terror (1998)

Superman & Batman: Generations (1998–1999)

Batman: Nosferatu (1999)

Batman: Book of the Dead (1999)

Catwoman: Guardian of Gotham (1999)

Superman and Batman: World’s Funnest (2000)

Realworlds: Batman (2000)

Batman/Lobo (2000)

The Batman of Arkham (2000)

Batman/Demon: A Tragedy (2000)

Batman: The Doom That Came to Gotham (2000)

Batman: Haunted Gotham (2000)

The Batman Chronicles #21 (2000)

Batman: Gotham Noir (2001)

Batman: Hollywood Knight (2001)

Batman: League of Batmen (2001)

Superman & Batman: Generations II (2001)

Batman: The Dark Knight Strikes Again (2001-2002)

Batman: Nine Lives (2002)

Batman: Detective No. 27 (2003)

Batman: The Golden Streets of Gotham (2003)

Batman: Nevermore (2003)

Superman & Batman: Generations III (2003)

Batman: The Order of Beasts (2004)

Batman: Year 100 (2006)

Batman Annual #27 (2009)

Detective Comics Annual #11 (2009)

[sliipppy]

Because I am insane and sleep deprived, here is my attempt to make sense of the batfamily ages and what I believe they are currently at, with full explanations. Fair warning, although I have done like, legit research and have reasonings, some of these still fit into headcanons.

Bruce - 45

Dick - 28

Babs - 30

Jason - 23

Tim - 21

Steph - 22

Cass - 23

Damian - 14

Duke - 17

Bruce is the oldest, obviously. However, when he first adopts Dick he is still young himself. Hence why along with their father-son relationship, they sorta have a brotherly relationship. (Specfically in classic comics, Bruce would often refer to him as a brother. ) I like how it complicates their relationship and how it shows he wasn't really ready to nessicarily handle a child. I like to hc that he got adopted at 8, which would make Bruce 25 when he adopted him.

It was difficult to settle on this age because the age in which Dick became Robin has been changed so many times. Originally, he was 7. New Teen Titans says he was 8. Other comics say he was 10, 12, and even 15. I feel like most people say 8, and for the sake of my own agenda, I'm saying 8, and you can not stop me.

I think 28 is a good age for Dick. Babs similarly should be around his age as they grew up together (at least in newer canon since she used to be quite a bit older.), but she's always been portrayed as older even when around her age, and to kinda account for the weirdness surrounding her age I put her as 30. She becomes Batgirl at 18, and likely becomes Oracle when she's in her 20s, probably around 23.

Batman tells Cass multiple times in Batgirl 2000 that she and Jason were the same age, so that makes it easier to rule the two together. Addiontally, Cass, Steph, and Tim are all around the same age range, Cass being the oldest, so that makes things easier too. Cass starts operating as Batgirl at 18 which would make Tim around 16 when she takes the cowl. This works since Tim became Robin at around 13 and he had been Robin for a good amount of time before Cass became Batgirl. I think it's a litttle longer than I'd like. But whatever. I was considering ignoring canon and saying he becomes Robin at 14, because I think 2 years as Robin before Cass rather than 3 is more fitting but whatever. It does fit since Tim was introduced way earlier than Cass, however real time doesn't really affect these ages. Anyways, big sister Cass supremacy I think people forget she's one of the oldest. I think she might have been de-aged to be around Tim's age but FUCK that she was originally Jason's age and this is my headcanon and I like to thing N52 didn't fuck everything up in my happy Tumblr space.

We know Steph is 1 year older than Tim because she's a freshman in college during Batgirl 2009, and he's a high-school dropout in Red Robin 2009 as he searches for Bruce. Stephanie becomes Spoiler at 15, and Robin at 16. She comes back when she's around 17-18. This lands our 2000s trio with ages at 23(Cass), 22(Steph), and 21(Tim).

Jason is a mess. At least I thought he would be, but it actually turned out kinda perfect. We know Jason and Cass are the same age, so he's at 23 with her. He becomes Robin at 12, and dies at 15. He comes back as Red Hood at 18 and was dead for around 3 years. Jason Todd is 18 when he comes back to life because right before War Games, Bruce takes Cass to Jason's grave, on his 18th birthday!!! and of course the event that acts as a sort of aftermath to War Games is Under the Red Hood so Jason is 18 when he first becomes Red Hood. Cass is still a fairly new character when UTRH happens, so i think her being 18-19 when he comes back fits well. Tim being around 16 kinda fits nice too as hes around the same age as Jason when he died. I think Steph being so close in age also helps since so many parallels are drawn between the two.

Detective Comics #790

Duke is still a teenager, and he is regarded to be one of the youngest bats, but still quite a bit older than Damian. In We are Robin, Duke is 16, as shown in the who are the robins bonus art. He is still a newer character and hasn't been Signal for long. I assume that by the time Batman and the Signal rolls around, he's 17 and is still currently 17.

We are Robin #4

I'm pretty sure Damian was 14 in Robin (2021) but I could be wrong it's been a while since I've read it and I never finished it so idk if he ever aged since then. He became Robin at 10, so in those 4 years, he's obviously grown and matured a lot, but I mean, who doesn't those are formative years. I was gonna bump him up to 15. However, this doesn't work. He is supposed to be 10 while Tim is 17. (Babs says he's ten during Batgirl 2009, and we established Tim is 17 during this.) To keep it consistent with the others, I'm keeping Damian at 14.

Batgirl 2009 #17

Feel free to correct anything I said here if it's incorrect. I am not perfect nor all-knowing. Also I'm horrible with math and numbers so I probably fucked something up here so feel free to make fun of me for that. Or you can make fun of the issues I have below.

Issues :

Dick can't be Robin at 8 if I stick with these ages because that would mean at the time Tim is 1 which means he wouldn't even be able to remember the show which means he would never be Robin.

I would've liked Bruce to be a little younger when first taking Dick in, but also I think Bruce is at his best when he's a middle aged man and I didn't want him to be below 45 because I wanted him to be on his late 40's.

It's hard to characterized Duke after We Are Robin because he's supposed to he a teenager, however he was 16 in We Are Robin and it feels like he should have been Signal for a bit longer than that. This isn't as big of a deal, because I still think it's believable for him to have only been signal for about a year, and it's mainly just DC inconsistency, but it still bugs me.

Damian's entire age is sorta messy and there's definitely issues with it lol.

I think Cass' age is around the same as Tim's post 52 to fit with him since their the same generation. But i chose to ignore that, and you can't stop me I choose what canon I want.

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Anyways, if you've read all of this, I fear you might be a little crazy. However, thank you!!!!!! Feel free to like leave your own opinion/headcanons. I LOVE hearing them. Thank you! Bye!

[petrerpkr]

Batfamily comics, I recommend for beginners

Bruce/batman

Batman (2014-2024)

Detective Comics (2015-2024)

Damian/robin

Batman and son(2006)

Batman and Robin (2009)

Batman and Robin (2011)

Batman and Robin (2023-2025)

Robin: Son of Batman (2016)

Cass/batgirl

Batgirl (2000)

Batman and the Outsiders(2007)

Batman & Robin Eternal(2014)

Batgirls (2022)

Jason/robin/red hood

Batman: Death in the Family(1988)

Red Hood: Lost Days (2010)

Batman:under the red hood (2006)

Red Hood and the Outlaws #1 (2011)

Red Hood/Arsenal #1 (2015)

Red Hood and the Outlaws Vol. 2 (2016)

Red Hood: Outlaw #27-50 (2019-2021)

Batman: Urban Legends (2021)

Dick/robin/nightwing

Robin days

Nightwing Vol. 2 (1996-2024)

Batman and Robin (2009)

Grayson #1-20(2014)

Batman and Robin Eternal #1-26(2015)

Barbara/batgirl/ Oracle

Batgirl: Year One #1 (2003)

Birds of Prey (1999)

Batgirl (2000)

Birds of Prey Vol. 2 (2010)

Batgirl Vol. 4 (2011)

Batgirl and the Birds of Prey (2016)

Batgirls (2022)

Stephanie/batgirl

Detective Comics #647 – First appearance of Stephanie Brown

Robin Vol. 4 #3-113

Batgirl #21-32 (2001)

Robin Vol. 4 #102-171

Batman Eternal #3-52(2014-2015)

Batgirl Vol. 3 #1 (2009-2011)

Batman and Robin Eternal #2-26 (2015-2016)

Batgirls #1 (2022)

Duke/The Signal

Batman (2014-2024)

We Are Robin

Robin War

Batman and the signal

Tim/robin/ect

Robin (1991)

Teen Titans Vol.3+ 4 + 5 (2003-2011)

Red Robin (2009-2011)

[roseworth]

15 and 21?

asks

15. that one thing you see in fanart all the time

i wish i could personally speak to every fanartist and tell them that just because a character is oversexualized in comics doesnt mean that they have to be oversexualized in fanart. i see it a lot with talia where she has an outfit in the comics with cutouts everywhere and poses to show her tits, and then people will make art of said outfit and make it just as sexual and like... it was bad enough that she did that in canon but you can simply choose to not! put her in a warm sweater or something she doesnt always have to be a sneeze away from a nip slip

21. part of canon you think is overhyped

batman & robin :( both the 2009 and 2011 run. i really want to like it bc i like seeing damian as robin :( i like batman dick and robin damian but b&r 2009 was not good. the plots were lame and forgettable and the characterization was okay at best. and the 2011 run was just so boring that i dropped it halfway through. neither of them are BAD but i see people talk about them sometimes and say that theyre both really good and i simply do not agree

[mayamarvil]

truly pathetic 😔😔

Batman & Robin (2009-) #21