#osdd 1 b

[thatbitch151]

Hello y’all! Gonna info-dump about a disorder I have now! (There’s a specific mutual that this is for and if you see thing you’ll know it’s you :D)

So I have P-DID, aka Partial-DID, aka Partial-Dissociative Identity Disorder

Before I can go more in depth about P-DID, first I need to explain regular DID, so

What Is DID? (Btw I’m not a professional so this is may be worded wrong but I’m trying my best)

DID is a dissociative disorder that forms when a child, roughly between the ages of 2-8 but those can have some wiggle room, goes through extreme and/or repetitive trauma. Basically, this disorder causes a split of the base identity into at least 2 distinct identities, but there can be any number of identities, or alters as I will refer to them from now on. A person with multiple alters is referred to as a system.

With DID, but not required of every system (there are other disorders that can cause systems, like OSDD and UDD) there are memory walls. The effect of these memory walls is to, well, block off memories between alters. The strength of the amnesia differs from system to system, with some not remember anything unless they are in front (or driving the car that is the body), while others can remember what other alters do crystal clear. Not only does the strength change from system to system, it can also change from alter to alter. Meaning that the wall between alters A and B might be strong and A won’t remember anything B does and vice verse, the wall between alter C and D could be thin or nonexistent so they share memories.

That’s the basics of DID, if anyone wants a more in depth explanation of that, or anything else in this post either, let me know and I’ll happily do so.

Now, what is P-DID?

P-DID is exactly like it sounds, Partial-DID. This means that some of the effects of the disorder are not as pronounced as regular DID. What does this mean?

It can, but doesn’t have to, mean little to no memory walls. It can, but doesn’t have to, mean less alters/less defined alters. It can, but doesn’t have to, mean that there is less switching of front (when alter A takes control of the body after alter B was out and vice versa).

What does that mean for my experience?

In my system, there is significantly less switching. Instead, 95% of the time me, the host (meaning the alter who is in front the majority of the time) is in front while the other 5% of the time a different alter is in front. Instead, the majority of the time I am usually co-con with someone else (co-con means co-conscious, when 2 or more alters are in the brain seat at the same time, or it could be both in the driving seat, or one in the driver one in the passenger ect. It means we are both conscious of the out side world at that moment).

It also means that between me and Most (not all) alters, there is very little memory wall. I remember the majority of what the others do when in front and vice versa.

It Also means that while we have a large number of known alters (and a probably larger number of unknown ((to me)) alters) most of them are fragments, or not as defined alters.

What is my experience like?

Like I said earlier, I am usually co-con with someone else. About 60% of the time, I am not alone in the front and 35% of the time I am (5% left for when I am not in front at all).

More over, in that 60% when I am co-con, about 30% of it is when someone else is in the driver seat instead of me, so I am left to watch what they do but not do it myself. I can give feed back and talk to them and such, but ultimately they are in control until I am back in the drivers seat.

I also experience little memory wall, when it comes to the front at least. There are only about 2 alters who I remember little to nothing when they front. This made it a bit difficult for me to even figure out I had the disorder since I had very few memory gaps. Instead, the memory wall that is there between most of the alters an I is an emotional memory wall.

For example, this means when I think about a trauma that I did not experience/it’s not my job to hold, I can remember what happened, sometimes in excruciating detail, but I do not feel the emotions connected to it. I can remember that we were upset or hurt or whatever during the event, but I do not feel anything for or from that event myself.

I only figured it out because I remembered a short period of time where I wasn’t the host, and instead someone of a completely different gender than me was. This, for pretty obvious reasons, led to me being confused and questioning it until eventually someone reached out and told me that yes, I was in fact part of a system. This took many months of questioning and even talking to a different system and asking questions before they finally told me.

How does having P-DID affect my day to day life?

Honestly? Not very much. Sometimes I’ll feel random emotions and be confused before I remember that there are others in my brain and it’s probably them, or I’ll have occasional bad memory and suddenly someone will tell me the thing I need to remember (or more often than not hear someone laugh at me for forgetting, the bastards).

Sometimes I’ll starts disassociating really hard and then suddenly someone else is moving our body and talking with our voice.

Another big way it affects me is that as it turns out I am a fictive. A fictive is an alter that is made based off of something that already exists, whether that’s a whole other person or a character from a book, game, movie, ect. This means that I Do Not match what the body looks like on the inside, this was another way I figured it out because everytime I looked in the mirror I would go “hey wait a minute, that’s not my face” before realizing that yes, it was in fact my face.

That’s the most of it for now, if anyone has any questions, or wants further explanation, you can either comment/reblog asking for that, or you can DM me directly :)

Thanks for reading, and for the one specific mutual I hope this helped in any way at all

[cluster-b-culture-is]

I feel like the entire population has MPD

???

[light-wrath-paradise]

You know what at this point I feel like maybe I just need to either get institutionalised again or start an internship again because I feel like I am getting nothing.

[starrynightteam]

Other people about to spill tea: promise me, don't tell anyone

My OSDD 1-b ass: sure

[chaos-in-one]

There's actually a reason there's no info on osdd! Both ddnos and osdd 1a and 1b are both holdover diagnoses for DID.

1a - systems who haven't yet switched in front of their doctor (or true cases of P-DID, which can fall under DSM's DID or 1a)

1b - systems that haven't yet found amnesia

In both cases, it's believed that the system will automatically fulfill both at some point over the course of treatment and end up moving into DID

Therefore, technically, research went ahead and combined them into one while the DSM is still squabbling over whether it's a good idea to consolidate them all

Anon do you have a source for this? Because generally I haven't seen it said by professionals that all systems will actually eventually fall under DID, and none actually have non-distinct parts or lack amnesia.

From what I understand, the main reasons there actually isn't much research on specifically OSDD or DDNOS is that

A. The diagnosis isn't as well known as DID is, so there's less interest in studying it

B. OSDD-1, while missing 1 of the main symptoms/criteria of DID, is still similar enough some seem to think research on DID can automatically be applied to OSDD-1 as well and don't bother to research it on it's own

That is however based on observation, don't take that as an objective fact.

[sysboxesforsystems]

What does label policing mean in the context of the system community? /genq

Label policing in terms of the system community is the dislike of microlabels which have no scientific backing (Willogenic, Endogenic, Mixed Origin, etc) There are 5 (Possibly 6 but i haven't come to a conclusion on that yet) system labels. OSDD 1-B, DID, UDD, Traumagenic and Polyfragmented. Anything else is a bullshit microlabel. Call me Anti-Joy and Whimsy, But idc. Microlabels like that are for genders and sexualities, not for medical conditions.

[apollortaylor]

So these tags were on my post about amnesia. And I want to address it. Short answer, no you do not. You need blackout amnesia (assuming that’s what you meant by full amnesia) in order to have DID.

DID is not the only way to have a system, OSDD 1-b has very little or no amnesia and still has alters, so does p-DID.

Though I do want to differentiate between the different types of amnesia.

Emotional amnesia: where you don’t remember any emotions that you were feeling during the event.

Greyouts: when you remember what happened but have no memories of it, as if someone told you about the event but you weren’t there.

Blackouts: when you don’t remember anything about what happened, and you often don’t remember that you missed something.

I’d also like to mention that amnesia often doesn’t happen in the moment, often the memory will fade over a short period of time until they’re gone. At least that’s what I experience.

Anyways, here you are @sprites-your-cal

Hope this helped

-Apollo

[antiendovents]

i am having a hard time properly articulating this so apologies if this makes no goddamn sense but

what pisses me off about endos, specifically those that claim to be plural because of some sort of spiritual belief/practice, is that one of the diagnostic criteria for did (and osdd 1-b (i think)) is that the symptoms aren’t caused by another mental disorder, drug use, or spiritual practice. like. if you genuinely think that you have other consciousnesses that you share a body with due to a spiritual belief then like. you do you or whatever. but you aren’t a system. and it would literally be fine if they just used different terms instead of trying to delegitimize a real mental disorder.

nod, nod... Yeah,, the literal criteria says it must not be caused by an accepted cultural or spiritual practice... Or something along those lines.. really it sucks.. I wish they'd at least get their own terms instead of using medical terms..

[howlsofbloodhounds]

ok so I must ask as I am still very confused but how does Killers stages effect Killer sans?

They’re levels of dissociation/dissociative states tied to his codes/programming, cued by certain external or internal triggers—which are connected to his SOUL. It was described as a war between two souls, Sans’ monster soul and the Determination soul—and Sans’ soul is fighting back.

This is why Killer doesn’t have to rely on Nightmare to go into Stage 2–the target shape—but Nightmare can use it to force certain behaviors, emotions (or lack thereof), and views from Killer.

Killer is canonically implied to have some type of dissociative disorder. It’s just never said which one—i personally tend to go with the idea that it’s OSDD-2 (not OSDD1-B) or UDD (Unspecified Dissociative Disorder). But it’s up to you what you personally want to do with them.

Now we unfortunately don’t get a lot of canon information on Stages 3 and 4, or if we did they’re deleted, but we do know that these states are almost completely weaponized.

Stage 3 seems to almost solely focused on immediate survival—even if that means behaving extremely violently against whoever or whatever moves or comes too close—and Stage 4 is locked in on a purpose—killing, upholding the Deal, very likely out of an animalistic fear of what could happen if it doesn’t.

Even if no one else notices this fear, and it just seems like Killer is mindlessly killing—because Killer hasn’t been shown ever once speaking in Stage 4. So no one is likely to understand what it is doing, and Killer himself doesn’t really seem to know—often disoriented and confused when he comes out of Stage 4.

Killer is in a very heavily dissociated, dehumanized state when he’s like that—a danger to himself and others, as opposed to only being a danger to others in Stage 3.

You can work on whatever interpretation you want.

If you want some more stuff on the Stages, because I have yapped about them (hcs, interpretations) and reblogged stuff about them, a lot more: you can look up the tag #killer sans stages.

If you want a specific Stage, you can look up the tags #stage 1!killer, #stage 2!killer, #stage 3!killer, and #stage 4!killer on my blog.

Do keep in mind that all the tags were recent additions on my blog, as I’ve been posting about and talking about them for awhile, so a lot of posts won’t be found under these tags. They’re most likely to be found further down on my blog in the #killer sans and #utmv headcanons tag.

[august-zip]

Please stop saying your diagnosed with osdd1a/1b.

Its misinformation. You will not have a or b on the diagnosis. It doesn't exist in diagnostic manuals. Its a community term.

I have encountered someone DEAD SET on the fact that they are diagnosed with OSDD1b. Like, in the kindest way possible get a new therapist if you think that you will have the b apart of that.

I won't doubt anyone who says they have been diagnosed with OSDD-1. But im sorry but as soon as the letters get involved that's a no. - Toms

[narcissisticpdcultureis]

NPD + OSDD culture is crashing because your parents said they didn't like your creative work that you put your heart and soul into every day because it's "wasting time you should be spending on turning in your homework" and then having a depressive episode so bad the next day it takes your entire friend group to even make you smile and then the emotional exhaustion from all of that bullshit makes you split a new alter which makes you even MORE tired

and then you're still mad about it even though that one sentence comment was made like 5 days ago #📼⏱️

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[bagaluten-sys]

☆ Overview on all kind of terms for people suspecting (plus sources) ☆

In this post I tried to briefly summarize important disorders to look into if you are suspecting, I added sources on where I found my information to avoid spreading false information. This is just an brief overview, if you are interested or suspecting then of course do more researchand search professional help.

If youre interested i'll soon post about it in more detail/more clear. In this post I didnt include personality disorders or other disorders that feature dissociation symptoms but that arent linked to plurality.

If you find the information outdated or incorrect or incomplete, please tell me. (Order of the post: DID, OSDD1, OSDD, DDNOS, PDID, DPDR, UDD, ISF).

DID: A person with Dissociative Identity Disorder has "distinct personality states", this phrase refers to distinct (different, separate) identities that feel, think and behave as if they were different personalities, they are often called alternate personalities, alternate identities, or "alters".(https://traumadissociation.com/dissociativeidentitydisorder)

OSDD-1 (a and b) :OSDD-1 is the subtype that is most similar to dissociative identity disorder (DID). It is used for individuals who have similar symptoms to those with DID but who do not meet the full diagnostic criteria for DID. Most commonly, this describes individuals who have dissociative parts that are not sufficiently differentiated to qualify as alters (sometimes known as OSDD-1a) or individuals who do not have amnesia between alters (sometimes known as OSDD-1b). Some individuals with OSDD-1 lack both amnesia and highly distinct parts, and other individuals with OSDD-1 have highly distinct parts but rarely or never switch between them. These latter cases are also sometimes described as OSDD-1b.(https://traumadissociation.com/dissociativeidentitydisorder)

OSDD: Chronic and recurrent syndromes of mixed dissociative symptoms.Identity disturbance due to prolonged and intense coercive persuasion.Acute dissociative reactions to stressful events.Dissociative trance. https://pasadenatraumatherapy.com/dissociative-disorders

DDNOS: Dissociative disorder not otherwise specified historically refers to symptoms of a dissociative disorder that doesn’t quite meet full criteria. Currently, “other specified” or “unspecified” dissociative disorder is used.If you’re experiencing dissociative symptoms that don’t seem to match the major types of dissociative disorder, you may have what mental healthcare professionals previously called dissociative disorder not otherwise specified (DDNOS). (https://psychcentral.com/disorders/dissociative-disorder-not-otherwise-specified-nos)

PDID: In the case of Partial DID the person still experiences a disruption of their identity, like in DID, but there is a 'dominant' personality which is usually at the front. Intrusions from other parts are infrequent and irregular, perhaps only happening during a particularly distressing or emotional experience. (Fact Sheet IV - What are the Dissociative Disorders? - ISSTD)

DPDR: Depersonalization-derealization disorder occurs when you always or often feel that you're seeing yourself from outside your body or you sense that things around you are not real — or both. Feelings of depersonalization and derealization can be very disturbing. (Depersonalization-derealization disorder - Symptoms and causes)

UDD (unspecified dissociative disorder): "This category applies to presentations in which symptoms characteristic of a dissociative disorder that cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning predominate but do not meet the full criteria for any of the disorders in the dissociative disorders diagnostic class.(https://traumadissociation.com/udd)

ISF (internal self system; a model and not a disorder!, no multiple distinct personalitys): Internal Family Systems (IFS) is an approach to psychotherapy that identifies and addresses multiple sub-personalities or families within each person’s mental system. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapy-types/internal-family-systems-therapy%3famp)

Hope this helps :) 🫰

[antimisinfo]

question, can you have did if you have amnesia just not between switches?

like you have little to no amnesia between switches but you have more severe amnesia outside of it, as in your everyday life.

or would this count under osdd-1(b)

You can! Based on what the ICD-11 says

"Alternation between distinct personality states is not always associated with amnesia. That is, one personality state may have awareness and recollection of the activities of another personality state during a particular episode. However, substantial episodes of amnesia are typically present at some point during the course of the disorder."

So yeah, you don't necessarily have to have amnesia between switches in order to have DID, though the DSM V says that OSDD 1b describes

"distinct dissociative parts (alters or alternate identities) exist and can take executive control, but without amnesia"

So I guess it may depend where you are in the world?? Or maybe when they say without amnesia they mean without amnesia at all? It's confusing (I did try to find the definition of OSDD in the ICD-11 but nothing seems to show up? I'm not really sure how to work the website yet if I'm being honest)

So to put it simply, it's kind of up to you what you want to consider yourself I guess?

[syscultureis]

having OSDD 1-b and proceeding to doubt yourself when you don't display symptoms of DID even though they're different disorders 😔

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[the-masquerade-council]

Here's my attempt at some CDD flag. These aren't meant to replace any existing flags, they are just alternatives. Also I wanted there to be a set of flags that both look like a set, and also don't look nearly identical to each other.

Sorry for the lack of U(s)DD, because it has basically an infinite number way it can appear many of which do not cause a system, I couldn't really figure out what to do for a flag.

Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) flag/Simplified/More simplified

The inspiration design is mostly this flag, and color inspiration from these 1 2 3

Overall in the flag design black and gray represent various way dissociation manifests and different intensities. The different colored stripes represent system members. The difference in spacing between the colored stripes representing how within the same system there still might be a great deal of difference in barriers between them.

The colored stripes have their own individual meanings as well. A choice partially made to represent both how alters within a system are more than just what they contributed to the system as a whole, and that people and systems with CDDs are more than just their ability to work/socialize/exist within outer world society.

dark teal - Teal is the color of both the PTSD and dissociation awareness ribbons. This stripe represents trauma, trauma recovery, and awareness of DID.

light green - This stripe represents comorbidity and misdiagnosis, it's very common that systems/people with DID will have at least one other disorder/disability. It is also quite common that systems/people with DID will initially be misdiagnosed with a different disorder to explain the DID symptoms, this often because of the misconception that DID is extremely rare.

orange - Acceptance, pride, and defiance and reclamation of stereotypes about DID

purple - Diversity and system recovery in all forms.

Other Specified Dissociative Disorder-1 (OSDD-1)/Simplified/More simplified

The gray and black were lightened to represent not fully meeting criteria B, and the colored stripes were made more similar to each to represent not fully meeting criteria A.

the individual color meanings are the same just assigned to slightly different colors

dark teal - Teal is the color of both the PTSD and dissociation awareness ribbons. This stripe represents trauma, trauma recovery, and awareness of OSDD-1.

light green - This stripe represents comorbidity and misdiagnosis, it's very common that systems/people with OSDD-1 will have at least one other disorder/disability. It is also quite common that systems/people with OSDD-1 will initially be misdiagnosed with a different disorder to explain the OSDD-1 symptoms, this often because of the misconception that OSDD-1 is extremely rare.

olive - Acceptance, pride, and defiance and reclamation of stereotypes about OSDD-1

purple - Diversity and system recovery in all forms.

Other Specified Dissociative Disorder-1A (OSDD-1A)/Simplified/More simplified

The colored stripes were changed to be all different shades of teal represent the less separate and distinctive alters.

the individual color meanings are the same just condensed.

dark teal - Teal is the color of both the PTSD and dissociation awareness ribbons. This stripe represents trauma, trauma recovery, awareness of OSDD-1A, acceptance, pride, and defiance and reclamation of stereotypes about OSDD-1A.

light teal - This stripe represents comorbidity and misdiagnosis, it's very common that systems/people with OSDD-1A will have at least one other disorder/disability. It is also quite common that systems/people with OSDD-1A will initially be misdiagnosed with a different disorder to explain the OSDD-1A symptoms, this often because of the misconception that OSDD-1A is extremely rare.

grayish teal - Diversity and system recovery in all forms.

Other Specified Dissociative Disorder-1B (OSDD-1B)/Simplified/More simplified

The black was lightened to gray to represent lack of the level of dissociative amnesia required to meet criteria B for DID

The purple tint to the gray was both to make it look more visually distinctive from the DID flag, but also to represent that some systems /people with OSDD-1B describe experiencing emotional amnesia.

Other than that the stripe colors have the same meanings as the DID flags

Partial Dissociative Identity Disorder (P-DID)/Simplified/More simplified

The center stripes were separated from each other to represent the separate in experience between the alter that fronts at all or almost all times and the rest of the system.

dark teal - Teal is the color of both the PTSD and dissociation awareness ribbons. This stripe represents trauma, trauma recovery, awareness of P-DID, and system recovery in all forms..

light green - This stripe represents comorbidity and misdiagnosis, it's very common that systems/people with P-DID will have at least one other disorder/disability. It is also quite common that systems/people with P-DID will initially be misdiagnosed with a different disorder to explain the P-DID symptoms, this often because of the misconception that P-DID is extremely rare.

orange - Acceptance, pride, diversity, and defiance and reclamation of stereotypes about P-DID

Also yes I know these flags are cluttered and busy, it felt fitting. However I know not everyone likes busy flags, so I made simplified versions.

[divinegayness]

Ok so: i followed you recently and saw your intro say you've got OSDD 1-b, I'm really curious about that cause I've never heard of it but google isn't helping me understand it much :( so with the fact your jntro says youd fine with ppl sending asks ro leaen more I'd love to hear a bit about your expirience and how it differs from the classic DID people talk about.

If you'd feel more comfortable btw feel free to DM me about it instead! Or even ignore this ask cause afterall this kind of thing can be pretty sensitive.

Ooooh of course! I love answering questions, because you're right, google sucks haha

My experience with OSDD is honestly rather atypical to some people's I've heard. I swing between having tota blackouts, greyouts, and emotional amnesia. That last one is something we don't experience much. We have very embedded depersonalization and derealization as well as generalized dissociation due to the trauma. We have alters, and staying in front for long periods of time causes headaches and overstimulation. We also sometimes get very blended and it's very hard to tell who's who. The impact on our identity as a whole is pretty big. We can't make big decisions without huge deliberation likely over days. Hair and wardrobe has to be thought through for hours. It's not just alters, its the flashbacks, which tend to come randomly more often than not. It's also the impacts on our daily life. College will be a massive struggle, especially when it comes to deciding our major and remembering all the things that we have to. Confused new splits are always terrified and want to go to a home that doesn't exist. We cycle through extreme imposter syndrome and feeling like nothing could ever touch us. It's hard. But there's good things.

OSDD is definitely an... experience. It's also impacted by our programming using RAMCOA, however that's something I don't usually share. If you want, I think there's a few websites that explain RAMCOA in its basics.

Thank you for the ask! It was interesting explaining my experiences.