#use of “we” is because we're plural ofc

[charonsferry]

Just so you guys know, we're not a communist. We just believe in moderate, common-sense positions such as holding anyone who's ever run a private equity firm, hedge fund or public-private consultant firm to a drumhead tribunal with sentences primarily involving hard labor and public beatings

[genderqueerdykes]

I promise this is just coming from someone who wants to learn, and I apologize if it sounds hateful or rude for what I'm about to ask that is not what I want at all,

but when it comes to systems, DID, plurality, from what I have heard, it is something extremely extremely rare, and something that most people under the age of 25 the body isn't even supposed to like "reveal" until older. I'm just confused and I would really like to hear from someone who actually is plural and not just from like Google

is being a system, DID, and plurality even the same? And the only plural people I have met irl have like 25,000+ alters of dsmp characters (I ofc know not everyone who is plural isnt just fictive and it's all different)

just a very confused person who isn't plural and I would really like to learn and be educated !! I would really like to understand more and hate unreasonably for something I don't understand

hello there!

you can be plural without having DID. there's not really much else to it. DID is one form of plurality. it's not the end all be all of plurality. there are even other dissociative disorders like OSDD that get cast by the wayside when people adopt this kind of mentality. there's so much more to plurality than DID. also, there is no set age at which the symptoms at DID become apparent on the outside. i've been having dissociative symptoms since i was a kid. my alters were active and present even as a teenager!

relying on medical statistics alone for DID is a bad idea because most professionals who are capable of diagnosing someone with a mental health condition don't even know what dissociative disorders are or what they entail. my own therapist has known that I have DID the entire time i've known her, but she has told me that currently, she can't help me with it, because she has not received training for it. dissociative disorders are nowhere near as rare as we think they are, one has to consider that a number even as low as 1% - 2% of the global population is an absolutely massive number of people!

saying that DID is "extremely rare" in this case in order to discredit non dissociative plurals is an appeal to authority. it's appealing to the medical industry who refuses to take it seriously in the first place. the amount of professionals i've had who pointed out that i have dissociative disorders vs. the ones who never commented on it at all is pretty staggering. this is due to a lack of proper research due to lack of funding, not because DID is genuinely that rare. the reason there isn't more research into plurality in general is because of a lack of funding. medical studies and organizations require funding. if they don't see money in it, they won't do it.

DID is still a heavily stigmatized condition. things haven't gotten much better since it was renamed from Multiple Personality Disorder. people with dissociative disorders are still treated like shit in medical settings, so to me, it makes no sense at all whatsoever to pit dissociatives against other plurals because no one takes ANY of us seriously, it's not non-dissociative plurals' faults that we're not taken seriously. it's the medical industry. there are no medications to push for DID. DID does not respond to medication. this already makes a lot of doctors not want to interact with it at all, because there's no commissions for medications prescribed.

"And the only plural people I have met irl have like 25,000+ alters of dsmp characters."

i'm pointing this out gently, i don't think you're a bad person, but this is sooooo mean, please don't be that mean and judgmental about other people, plural or not. please consider how those people would feel if they heard you talking about them like that. even if you don't view them as plural, you shouldn't think it's okay to discredit their lived experience. what are you getting out of phrasing it like that? even if that person turns out to not be plural, please do not judge other people based off of things like this. you don't live inside of their head. you don't know what's going on in there.

i'm not entirely sure why people think this way about introjects and fictives, but they're an extremely normal part of the plural experience! one of the most well known DID systems of all time, Truddi Chase and The Troops, had not only fictional alters (Elvira) but also factual ones as well (Mean Joe Green). this is not new, nor is it isolated to non dissociative plurals. introjects and fictives are extremely normal. it doesn't mean someone is faking just because they've introjected someone, or someones.

hope that helps, in general, please understand that the only lived experience that you are the arbiter of is your own and you cannot tell someone else what they're experiencing, no matter what. plurality will look different for every person, system and so on that experiences it! the sooner you accept that the easier your own life will become. it's not hurting you for someone to have headmates that you don't like. that's their business, not yours, and that's actually a very freeing thing!

great addition from the tags:

[starstruck-sillies]

Now before I say anything, sorry for the wall of text, it's just your recent posts got us thinking a lot (I think I was writting this for over an hour, maybe two), also I'm trying really hard but my communication skills may not be great, so sorry (again) if something isn't understandable. And the last thing I don't mean any harm to anyone even if I don't agree with some people

"Trauma isn't just an origin when you're a CDD system, it's the very way our system functions on a fundamental level, it affects every part of our life, and every member in our system is a product of our agony"

Now that I think of it they often really see CDDs as just one of the origins. Maybe that's why it feels so wrong when they say things like "We're really similar to you actually". Not only they make zero effort to separate themself from CDD systems (which you can see in their language, it's often endo vs traumagenic and traumagenic isn't even exclusive to CDDs technically) They're activelly pushing the idea that we're the same and it's just... unsettling tbh.

I think the reason there's so much tension between endos and antis is because we have very different perspectives of our experiences. For endos their experiences are identity like queerness or alterhumanity. It's like "brain is weird and you don't have to understand it". And ykw? I agree. There is probably an endogenic form of plurality and even if there wasn't I don't really see a reason why someone wouldn't be able to call themself that anyway. But the thing is our experiences are part of a disorder. It can be an important part of your identity, especially since this is an identity disorder but it's still a disorder. Our experiences are medicalized (idk if I'm using the term correctly but idk how to say it in other words) and perhaps we'd like to stay separeted from people with more sociological (? again not sure if I'm using this correctly) experiences. But they don't seem to understand that. It seems like for them we're building unnecessary walls or play trauma olymics or that we let our disorder and trauma dictate our lives (which is a crazy thing to say tbh) and it's just aweful that they keep speaking over us. Because for community that claims to be similar to alterhumanity they weirdly don't act as one. They act as if their experiences were the same as our, as if they were disordered too (I mean the experiences not the people, ofc some of them will have some disorders too). Which is very weird because we're kinda in the therian community too and I've never seen therians act like that. I've never seen a therian say they experience "non disordered zoanthropy", or go to a person with the disorder and say "omg our experiences are so similar". And I've never seen them call someone ableist for not believing their experiences, they always say things like "you don't have to, just go on with your life and leave me alone" (ok so maybe I'll elaborate on this one somewhere at the end cuz I feel like some people might not get what I mean(1)). Also there ARE some shared spaces between people with zoanthropy and therians and there are people with the disorder that identify as a therian too and yet I don't see a problem with those spaces being separated.

Also because of that I feel like we're not taking CDDs as real disorders. I think everyone would agree that using a term exclusive to a disorder when you don't have said disorder is wrong. Like when somebody says they're hyperfixated on something when they're neurotypical people will call them out, but if it's CDD exclusive term then suddenly it's fine? I get that change can be hard, but I don't think just because it's normalised to use those terms it's right to do so. But if you say anything about the term "system" for example they speak over you again and say things like "it's not exclusive", "what about ifs" or "it's just a word" (again might say something more about that at the end(2)).

And it gets even worse when they say things like "there are researchers saying that DID doesn't exist" or "If it was proved that DID doesn't exist, would you believe it?" Which tbh if it was proved? Absolutely. But it won't be because there's evidence saying otherwise. We may not know everything about it and some of the information we have might be wrong, but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING is wrong. And the distrust towards scientific research is honestly worrying. It sounds like conspiracy theories sometimes (which are bad obviously). Like I said, it's not perfect, it's definitely flawed in some ways, but people who research disorders aren't some random people that just do whatever they want.

What I'm trying to say with it is I think both communities would benefit from being more separated. I don't know if that's possible (probably not) but these are just my thoughts. Also sorry for generalising, not all endos are like this ofc, these are just things I've noticed in the community

As for the things I was supposed to say later

The reason I find this odd is because ableism is "discrimination and social prejudice against physically or mentally disabled people" (according to wikipedia) endos aren't disordered (and even if they were their plurality isn't a reason for that) and there isn't even that much research really confirming their existence so simply not believing them isn't inherently ableist. That doesn't mean they can't be upset about that, it's just another example of them treating their experiences like they're disordered

2. Ok so first of all, I know there are other meanings of the word system but that's not the reason endos are using it. Let's stop pretending it's a coincidence. It's like saying "oh but you know special is just a normal word, so I can say I have a special interest". Second of all I'm kind of tired of literally everyone treating systemhood as a synonym to plurality. System was a term created for people with CDDs, and systemhood will inevitably by tied with CDD experiences. Not every system will even identify as plural. And you can say "it's just a name, it doesn't matter" but it does. It makes it harder to separate systemhood with other forms of plurality. I didn't know what to call it in the post, because if I used systemhood and plurality people wouldn't understand, if I said CDD plurality and endo plurality I'd exclude systems that don't identify as plural, so I used experiences even if it makes it unclear because system and plural experiences can be similar. Just because of one word I don't have the ability to accurately share my experiences

[ * You put it perfectly anon!! It really does feel like most of them don't see OSDDID as disorders at all, and as just another origin label. Even if they don't actually think that, the way they talk about it sure does make it seem like they do view it that way. ]

[ * The way so many endos absolutely despise the field of psychology honestly makes it seem like some don't believe that CDDs exist at all, and are just something people made up to control us, which is horrible. Some genuinely think it's a *cult*. ]

[ * I think that one thing both pro and anti endos forget is that we're all seeing things from very different perspectives. One of the main things I've noticed is that anti endos tend to see things from a more scientific standpoint, while pro endos have a more social/emotional perspective. That isn't to say that one is objectively wrong, or that one is better than the other, both viewpoints have their strengths and weaknesses, and both have valuable information, just an observation on what perspectives people in syscourse tend to have from what we've seen. ]

[ * And I think that's where most of the disconnect comes from. Both are seeing things in very different lights, and thus both come to very different conclusions about the same thing, and neither side can understand what the other's thought process is. ]

[ * It also doesn't really help that the spaces for anti endos are very offputting for pro endos, and anti endos feel the same way about pro endo spaces. Neither is particularly welcoming for the other side, which does make sense, but at the same time, it prevents people from looking into many of the spaces on the other side of the fence because they just can't stand being there. ]

[ * We definitely agree with the term thing too, we firmly believe that "system" is the exclusive word, while "plural" is the inclusive word, and we very much believe that they aren't synonyms. But of course there's the issue of nobody really being able to come to a consensus on the word, so everyone just talks in circles and we get nowhere. Honestly, at this point I don't think we'll ever figure it out. I really feel like that debate especially will just go on forever and we'll never get anywhere. ]

[ * I absolutely agree with your point on separate spaces. We 100% agree that having endo spaces so close to CDD spaces the way they are now is a horrible idea, but then of course there's always things that will make it complicated. The entire mixed origin debate alone makes things way more complicated than they should be, and the more I see on it, the more it feels like things will just devolve so, so fast into indecipherable madness with rules that don't make sense. ]

[ * I know I have some bias against mixed origin systems, mainly because every single time they've ever been involved in things from what we've seen, things get extremely complicated very quickly, and we just struggle to get along with them no matter how hard we try. We've always been very iffy on them. We try our hardest to be nice and try to understand but man, it's so complicated we just can't manage to wrap our heads around any of it. I think it's still definitely worth a shot, and if maybe if the communities work at it for long enough we can work it out. All I know for certain is that the way the communities, both pro and anti endo, work for now is awful and needs to change. ]

-Splotch

[panvnsleake]

🌙-Are there any nonverbal alters in your system?

☁️-Does your system use things like pluralkit and simply plural?

⭐️-are you out about being a system?

[ dont have to do all of them ofc :] ]

🌙 - yeah, eldritch diane is nonverbal! plus sometimes divine ava starts speaking in string instruments and you have to decipher what shes saying from volume and rhythm. not sure if that counts uhh -🍞

☁️- non, notre système n'utilise pas non plus. -��� we dont use anything of that sort because we're too lazy. heheheeh -🍞

⭐️- no but i almost outed us to our mom once. said "can you pass us some tissues" instead of "can you pass me some tissues". woopsies -🍞

[the-hadal-zone-sys]

INTRO POST

We are The Hadal Zone, a mixed origins gateway system here to talk about plural stuff or whatever else!

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But first! Anti-endos/anti-nontraumagenics, this isn't your space. Fakeclaimers, this isn't your space. Kindly fuck off.

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🌨️Cloud - Host, he/they/it/xe, human-ish. Genderfluid, bisexual, aromantic.

🌲 Forrest - Caretaker/co-host, he/they/it, cryptid/goat/thing. Transmasc, gay, aromantic.

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We are also AuDHD and we have anxiety. We mention this because we have great difficulty initiating any form of social interaction, it's... Just extremely difficult for us, due to extreme anxiety.

We're very open to making friends but we won't be the one to initiate. Drop us a comment/ask or DM if you want to be friends, we're 100% open just shit at starting things.

(We'd prefer other system friends but singlets can as well ofc, so long as they're respectful.)

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(formerly known as the Candlelight Collective.)

[librarycards]

How’d you discover you were plural? If that’s ok to ask

of course! genuinely, it's less of a discovery that &i is/are plural, and more that plurality is a meaningful conceptual framework to apply to my/our existence.

to dip a bit into coming-out cliché, &i've never felt, like, singular; we've always been iterative. we hardly even share the same body. actually, the iterations we've been are sometimes tied to particular forms of embodimindment, not unrelated to other experiences i've had - disorderly eating/drastic weight changes/puberty/trans medical interventions/elective body modification/lived experiences of trauma. this, like many things, is something for a while we assumed everyone felt (and perhaps everyone would, if we as a society did not tamp down so violently on our inherent systemhood [we're made of systems]).

then, &i learned that not everyone referred to themselves with different pronouns directed toward different iterations, and that this actually offended some trans people &i tried to like, ~build community~ with. people don't like seeing selveshood as periodized, because that disrupts the narrative of linear progress/growing-up we like to ascribe to "being a person."

so we sat with this feeling of having grown sideways or crossways and learned about multiplicity (beyond harmful media/medical discourse) on tumblr. actually, &i think [S]arah learned about it back when she was knee deep in the whole indigo children thing lmao, because there was also soulbonding stuff etc. [don't bother with those types of sites, they're run by new age antisemitic anti-vaxxers, but obviously 9 year old [S]arah didn't know that].

when we began learning about multiplicity on tumblr, we were under the assumption that alters had to be far more clearly defined and transparently mapped than is true, &i think, for most systems. others have commented on the weird proximity to clinical confessional discourse that fixations on system mapping point toward: not because there's an inherent problem with system mapping, but because the idea that everyone/everymany must do this / leave evidence of their collective (and ultimately, legible) existence, is just bullshit, just like the stories we have to tell to receive "gender dysphoria" diagnoses.

i think what really changed our relationship with multiplicity was/is our friendship with @materialisnt. it's difficult to describe the degree to which mix moss have impacted &my life, both through chaim "formal" scholarship (the formal/informal binary is bullshit ofc) and through several years of deep friendship and unwavering solidarity. &i recognize in hindsight that &my longstanding interest in multiplicity - and alterhumanity writ large, because i am not a human and actually don't think any of us are or were? - was really just, you know. being an egg. many such cases. mix. moss's patience with &my questions & collective excitement at my interventions and thoughts gifted us the confidence to, only recently [and partially pursuant to &my dissertation, which includes discussion of alterhuman digital epistemologies and pedagogies] begin identifying with plurality. perhaps even "as", though that preposition has always skeeved &me out when it comes to identity stuff.

ultimately, &my relationship with plurality isn't a concrete object that we eventually dug up and slapped a nametag on. it's a meaningful, collaborative, and community-based signifier that helps us best situate ourselves in conversations about relationships and love and pain and time and all the important parts of. existing, we guess. it's a choice to generate linguistic and spatiotemporal friction be just kinda existing and not being "one human being". it is also something that feels deeply heart-aligned, something that allowed me to let out a breath we'd been holding for a long time, and free up space to think with more creativity and compassion toward those &i value most: that is, those rejected by the existing conditions we call "reality" and "commonsense" and instead think more capaciously, as ourselves, about different ways of being persons and people together.

[funishment-time]

🎀This is also another thing because the element of fiction affecting reality from DRV3 always interested us because, and we're not joking here, Tsumugi Shirogane's cosplaying deal is what made us realize we're plural/have headmates ;^^.

Systems have a thing called "fictives" which are alters using the base personality/design/story/etc. of a fictional character to form. Some even have exomemories, or memories originating from their source material... apparently. We don't really get that so idk what it feels like.

Of course we don't expect that level of nuance from the game that made Korekiyo the "another serial killer system but somehow grosser this time" guy, but still. Honestly a lot of drv3's elements can sorta devolve into gross things, but it feels like the main narrative doesn't realize that also counts as fiction that can affect reality? Idk

thank you for sharing re: being plural! that's really Cool that it helped you. Danganronpa's helped me a lot too in a similar way (not plural, but it certainly changed my life for the positive). i appreciate the info too. i don't know much about Plural identities although i'm always trying to learn.

yeah, a lot of v3's message doesn't...fully pan out. sometimes i wonder if they didn't figure out what they wanted to say with the game until the Very End of writing/dev, because it feels haphazardly tacked on. you're yanked in like 9 different thematic directions before it settles

as an aside: i mean no erasure by this at all, not that intentions are a justification for anything, but...anyway, am i the only one who figured Kork was literally possessed? possession and ghosts are real in the DR Multiverse, so i thought...but ofc i may have missed a Detail between my tears for Tenko

[mangokabuto]

💛💚💙💜

💛: What is a popular ship you just can't get behind, and why?

Ohhh man... I'm going to be murdered if I say "all of them" but. Well. I promise I'm not "different from the other girls" or something LMFAO I just typically can't get behind monogamous ships because they do not interest or intrigue me, usually? It takes some really compelling characters to pull it off in a way that will get me invested. And honestly, I REALLY hate in shipping fanfiction/etc where the shipped-characters-in-question are portrayed as feeling "more" for their partner (singular or plural) than the rest of the crew. I feel this way for One Piece and the strawhats specifically. Like, as soon as I see the "A missed their captain and their crew, but they realized that they missed B more" or "loved B more" I've clocked out. It's just fully not believable to me. Why does romantic always have to be more, instead of just different? This is separate from my bias as a polyamorous person, btw. I'm not fond of the idea that you HAVE to love your romantic partner MOST; Like if you're closer to your best friend than your partner then you've failed somehow?? Or like you're supposed to be less close to your friends once you have a partner?? That's insane to me. And SPECIFICALLY I think it doesn't fit these characters. If there's anyone on the crew that any of them feel "more" for than the others it's Luffy, and they ALL feel that way, and it doesn't interfere with their romantic relationships because that is silly. ...I realize this probably isn't the type of answer you were looking for, haha. For a simpler one: I don't really get the romantic chemistry behind zosan as a ship, unless they're in a polycule with other people. Which is weird, because enemies-to-lovers usually gets me! Also I don't get the romantic chemistry behind lawlu either.

💚: What does everyone else get wrong about your favorite character?

I have several favorite characters honestly, and I haven't been in the fandom long enough to know the most common opinions like that outside of some large-sweeping and very common ones. (So, it's hard for me to answer this question with Franky or Bon Clay.) So, I'll pick an example that involves two of my favorite characters (Usopp and Zoro) I feel very strongly about the platonic divorce arc (Water Seven), and I think a lot of people either don't really understand what Usopp did/was thinking, or don't really understand what Zoro did/was thinking, or both. Which sucks. "Get wrong" is a loaded term, since everyone's entitled to their own opinion/interpretation, ofc, but... I stand FIRM in my belief that if Zoro had not held the line like that, Usopp would not have been able to come back to the crew, and the crew wouldn't have survived it if he came back anyway. Zoro enforced that boundary BECAUSE he loved everyone involved, not because he "hated usopp's cowardice" or whatever the fuck. Usopp decided to leave, and Zoro held him to his word, and there is a lot of respect in that. And Usopp DID fuck up! Bad! He needed to apologize, and the Usopp fans out there who think "Usopp did nothing wrong/shouldn't have needed to apologize" need to unpack why they think so. This isn't to say Zoro and the others did everything right, either. EVERYONE fucked up there, but Usopp fucked up the most! Usopp stans I know there are few of us and we're used to him getting shit on by the fandom, but we need to accept that he really was at fault. And it's good to have a character in fiction who stumbles for understandable reasons, then pushes too far, and then is able to fix what they'd done and mend their relationships. That is a beautiful and important thing to have. (If anything, I think Usopp's apology should have been a little better, but that's just me.)

💙: Which character is not as hot as everyone else seems to think?

I could be here all day. :') I know anything is possible and different strokes for different folks, but I cannot believe THAT MANY people find Sanji and Law THAT attractive. Sanji's popularity baffled me more than law, but still. I know tattoos are hot but come on. Lets be serious. It's just us here I won't be mad tell me the truth

💜: Which character is way hotter than everyone else seems to think?

FOXY. SILVER FOX FOXY. IM IN LOVE WITH HIM DO YOU PEOPLE HEAR ME. SAYING IT LOUDER FOR THE PPL IN THE BACK, HE IS THE LOVE OF MY LIFE!

For my other controversial picks I also think Franky, Jinbe, Mont Blanc, Brook, Big Mom, Blackbeard, Magelllan, World from that one movie, and Borsalino are attractive but those aren't as controversial -- I've seen a couple other people be as open about them -- but no one appreciates my husband. Cowards!!

[schizosupport]

are you a system? i’m struggling to find out if i’m a system or if i have schizophrenia or both

Hi there!

Yes.. and no. I dunno, I think I'm a type of system?

I usually refer to myself as "identity fluid", because my internal experience is less so that different consciousnesses exist/take over, and more so that I am different people/identities at different times. I refer to the others as "aspects" because I consider us all to be different aspects of one (unknowable) whole.

That said, it's also a bit more complicated than what that might initially suggest. We're quite different - different ages, gender/sexualities, looks, thoughts, feelings, opinions and even ideas about how to conceptualize our "system".

Sometimes we feel very profoundly other from each other, and at other times it's more like different roles that I/we inhabit. I do experience it like there's an internal pressure for certain aspects. For example, I try to avoid the aspect of young.. but the aspect of young haunts me. For a while every time an identity hadn't been around for a while, they would get haunted by the aspect of young. Eventually I had to grapple with the fact that being young was not just a trait and that if I keep pushing away anyone who is 'young', the trait of 'young' will just pop up elsewhere. And so I kinda had to sit down and be like... Ok... Deep breath. The aspect of young gets to exist. You don't have to jump on everyone else like a parasite. You can have a name and an existence of your own. And now we have a designated little one. And ofc all of us still age regress sometimes bc that's just a thing the brain does, but now that he has a name, it's kinda less scary, and it's more ok.. And instead of punishing myself for "being weak" I kinda have to be kind to the little one when he's present.

Uhh it's all to say. I don't know, are we a system? We definitely have a system..

I think this way of experiencing myself is definitely related to my schizophrenia, though I don't consider it a direct symptom thereof. I more or less don't consider my "system" to be disordered in any way. It's a coping mechanism, and it's an almost creative expression of my multitudinal identity. And it probably helps my brain that it doesn't have to settle on just one personality, but that it gets to play around with different dynamics.

I think if you're trying to figure out if you are system, have schizophrenia or both - hmm -

I think that symptoms of being a system alone wouldn't make someone schizophrenic, but maybe you mean that you hear voices (that might be system members) and then it might be a delusion to think you're a system? But it sounds like you aren't convinced, so I wouldn't call it delusional, more questioning? So I'm guessing you have other symptoms associated with schizophrenia too. And it's definitely very possible to have schizophrenia and to be a system (of any type and origin) at the same time. You might also be a system who experience some symptoms of schizophrenia but not enough to qualify for a diagnosis. Or if you're only considering schizophrenia based on symptoms of plurality, then I think it's more likely that you are just a system.

But obviously I don't know anything about your situation to be able to say more.

I hope this made sense, you caught me in tired brain mode

[sophieinwonderland]

People can have their own opinions on things. I just wanted to provide my own input as well, to show that there's many different sides to this. Sorry for any misspellings, dyslexia. Also this turned into a vent so you don't have to reply, Sophie. None of the feelings directed at the anon.

As a tranz person and someone who identifoies as plural, I don't think the term sysmed is transphobic. As long as it's used as the original definition, it describes exactly what it is: a person who believes that systems are only ever "real" systems if they're medically recognised, but usually only if they're diagnosed with DID/OSDD. Tbh even then they get really nitpicky with it and you can be medically recognised and they will still fakeclaim you for something.

It doesn't matter that it's the same as the word "transmed" with just the trans part changed, because the word means exactly what it implies. A system medicalist. That's what they are.

I know that it's not the same as trans issues, but they're not the same things, so ofc they won't have the same issues. And even if we tranz people are discriminated in a lot of ways, including not being able to transition, and transmedicism refers to that last part specifically, systems are also discriminated against by saying they don't EXIST. That's not the same as being able to transition or be recognised as who you are, but tbh, saying you're not real and being sent death threats and being ostracised by your family and friends and society in general cuts deep and it IS still real pain. Just because it's not as palpable because it's not always a visible, physical issue doesn't make it less discriminative.

I find that pain of being told I shouldn't exist, that I'm not allowed to exist, that I am hurting others by existing and taking away resources from other "real" people absolutely vile. And I need a term to describe that pain. When singlets see people saying that shit on TikTok, they accept it word for word just because it came from other systems and because they don't wanna be offensive and side with the "fakers". By calling everyone either "anti-endo" or "pro-endo" or "endo-neutral", we're making it up to sound like a fucking game where you can pick and choose whether you support someone's rights to exist as themselves in a public space.

You cannot choose to go "well I don't agree with your existence so I'm just gonna decide you don't exist/don't deserve to exist/don't deserve to get medical treatment, actually" and expect people to go "yeah that's cool you're just anti-(insert thing) we can agree to disagree." Systems are still quite covert in public spaces. And sysmeds PAINT THE IMAGE OF HOW THE PUBLIC SEES US, and therefore bow it treats us.

My existence is not something you can just disagree on. Not my trans one, not my plural one. You cannot deny it from me, from us. I exist, get over it or get the fuck out of my way. All of us or none of us.

I'm not gonna call someone who says all that to me an anti-endo because it doesn't go deep enough (and it's not even a correct term every single time beacse ANY kind of system gets discriminated against by sysmeds, not just purely endogenic ones). I'm gonna call that person a sysmedicalist.

I wouldn't call a person telling me I'm not really trans because I don't have dysphoria anti-trans, I would call them a transmed.

I wouldn't call someone telling me that because I don't experience every single symptom in the DSM-5 manual an anti-endo, I would call them a sysmed.

Not meaning to imply that anon thinks any of the things I just said, by the way, this all turned into a giant rant. We can agree to disagree on the term part, I respect that.

But my opinion is that the term sysmed in an on itself is not transphobic. it doesn't minimise the pain we go through. It just described a plural specific type of issue that funnily enough tends to mirror plural issues when you really think about it. And it's important to me to have that kind of word that doesn't make my discrimination sound like an opinion, but like the bigoted view that it is.

Have a good day, anon, and you too, Sophie :)

This is a great addition! Thank you for sharing! And you have a good day too! 💖

[c-infinity-83]

Part 9 babeyyyyyy

81. Which is your favourite plural flag? - Probably Kenochoric's tbh

^ is nice to lookie at .

82. If you have one, which is your favourite plurality related tumblr blog? - i dont think we have a favourite actually FHJDSJDJ

83. What is a fun fact about your System? - To deal with intrusive homicidal thoughts over the years we've gotten into the habit of FRIENDLY FIRE COMBAT. this means we kill each other but it has no consequences except knocking out a sysmate (whom the brain considers temporarily dead) for a few minutes to a few hours. Death is very common in our system ajahdjdjsjsjddj

84. What is a flavour of ice cream that describes you collectively? - Mint chocolate chip because Fffffuck you JAAJAJSJDJDDJ

85. Which pride flag is the prettiest, in your collective opinion? - Noooo clue tbh

86. If you collectively had to choose between being a sweet or a sour candy, which do you pick? - SOUR BABEYYYY sour candy is our favourite candy. Turn Our Ass Into A Warhead.

87. Your body always morphs into what the current fronter(s) look like, would you want this power or not? - we're not out to anyone irl so no oh god could you imagine. wait that'd be so funny with our factives. Our mom walks into our room and fucking Mark.ip.lier is there. help

88. Is there a Hatsune Miku in your System? - ........ Yeah we used to have a couple but they've since been absorbed HDJDSJSJDJD

89. Who has been in your System the longest (if you can remember)? - this thing. Formed sometime in 2010.

... But then there's also sysmates apart of the First Wave. Those guys formed years before but we thought they were imaginary friends at the time.

People in the first wave include Anatoly and Callisto (Umbreon and Espeon respectively; introjects of the starters from Pokemon Colosseum), Dewy (from Dewy's Adventure), Ooccoo (from... Zelda? We've never even played a Zelda game.), the King of Sorrow (from Klonoa), and 02 (from Kirby 64). All of these guys formed when we were in single digits. This does not include other sysmates we're now aware of but have since disappeared like Togepi, Misty (yes. from Pokemon.), Gary the Snail, etc.

I'd say Anatoly and Callisto are the eldest since we got Colosseum at the age of like 3-4 (they did NOT form with those names btw, they recently came out of dormancy like last year fjdjsjdjd as a kid they were just Umbreon and Espeon) but idk for sure. I know Ooccoo formed because of Brawl and we were like 8-9 for that one. We got Dewy's Adventure when the Wii JUST came out. We'd have been... 7, maybe 8 depending on when we actually got one cuz I doubt it was on launch. No clue about Sorrow though cuz Lunatea's Veil came out in 2001 and that's. Yeah no.

I think Sorrow formed when we were at least 5 cuz we found out about Him through youtube. So uh. yippee?

Same goes for 02 though wdr when she formed. We vividly remember that was during the Restaurant Era™ (our parents owned a restaurant when we were a kid and we were stuck there very often .) though. And we were at LEAST 5 for that.

But we consider Ticky Tacky to be our "first" starmate despite obvious proof of that not being the case in retrospect DHSJjdjdj

Y'KNOW I FORGOT ABOUT KING THE KINGDRA. started off as a teeny lil Horsea ofc and was our first ever "imaginary friend" (can you tell Misty was our fave growing up.) and evolved over the years. She's fucking huge now btw. "5'11" my ass She's like 10 ft tall she's SCARY AHAHAJSDJDJXJSJDJD

90. If you collectively had to choose, would you rather only eat sweet foods or only eat savoury foods for the rest of your life? - OUGH.... depends on the sysmate. I know if Wil were answering this they'd choose sweet foods without a second thought. I asked my subsystem what they thought and Mal just screamed at me. um. I'd choose savory tbh!

-Tulip

[the-astrophel-system]

took those questions from one of the "system ask games" and answering them here. why? bc i wanna answer them, i dont wanna wait for asks, and you cant stop me /lh

🥀 - do you keep track of your alter count? how do you do so?

yeah we do! or at least try to. we personally have done it through journalling and using simply plural. we mainly use sp now, as journalling is more so for communication / vent / memory purposes.

🫀 - do you have non-human alters? what species are they?

yeah! just over half of us are 'non-human', but that varies from part human (fae, hybrids, mermaids, etc) to full animals (cat, fox) and even objects.

🍄 - when did you realise you had a complex dissociative disorder?

i believe the body was 13? eh ill say 13-14 years old, as a bit of a range because there was about a year and a bit of researching and tracking symptoms and whatnot before we really understood / knew we had it.

📻 - do you experience amnesia?

yes a lot. whether it emotional amnesia or grey outs, or forgetting day-to-day things, yeah. a lot of amnesia can happen with switches, though its rarely black-outs for us, and sometimes we have amnesia even when there hasn't been a switch.

🥩 - who was the most recent split?

for personal reasons, not gonna answer this one <33

🦴 - do you have an innerworld? what does it look like?

oh my fuck, we could make a whole post about our innerworld and all the different areas. we do have an innerworld, and its existed for as long as i can remember. its changed over time and some places change how it looks daily, but we can make a whole post about it all.

🦷 - what’s a fun fact about the current fronter(s)?

ooooh a fun fact abt me. i would sayyyy, i named myself after a character in a fanfiction <3

💀 - is your system more overt or covert?

covert. when we're with people we trust and feel safe with, we present more overtly. however with day-to-day, its definitely covert. our switches can be smooth, or sometimes we straight up leave the room and have privacy. we all tend to mask, even if its just a little bit. if you knew we were a system, you might be able to catch a switch here or there. but i think thats only if you know what you're looking for.

🍷 - does your music taste differ from alter to alter? how?

a bit, yeah. mostly all of us kinda like alt or indie music. some of us love musicials while others dont. skye, she fucking loves raps, while others cant stand rap music. some like more heavier music, while pretty much all our syskids like soft songs. we have different playlists on spotify that haven't been updated in months </3

🦇 - do you have any friends with CDDs?

yes we have one with a cdd <3

📺 - are you “heavy” with any type of alter? (e.g. syskid-heavy, introject-heavy, etc.)

we are non-human (57.6%), and 'brainmade' heavy (65.8%). were the percentages needed? ofc not. did i still spend 20 mins figuring it out? yeah.

if you have any questions abt our system, or want us to do another of these (if we can find another) just let us know!

- clem (she/her)

[circular-bircular]

i think the phrase "Strictly speaking, there are far more singlets that plurals" is kinda a strange phrase. because if we view pluraltity and systemhood as a binary opposite to singlets, and you either are one or the other, maybe yes. but i do think it is a spectrum, and there's more people who lean really close (if not 100%) on the singlets side, but there are people who are between being singlets and being plurals, and there are people who aren't singlets but who are also not plural (systems like u) or people who are systems but who also identify as singlets, or people who are both systems and plural (either at the same time as one thing (ie, plural systems) or as distinct experiences but parellel (plurals who are systems or systems who are plural) and such)

i think there is something to be said about normality and healthiness and such, because in reality there is no true normal, and you can be as abnormal as abnormal can ab the normal, but you can still be healthy. similarly, you can be very normal and also very unhealthy in some (or many) ways. also, perspectives on normal change from culture to culture and land to land, so it can vary. in some places, systemhood/plurality is the norm, and in many others, it's definitely singlets that rule / are the norm.

also, ofc i think hearing characters isnt inherently plural. there's many non-plural reasons why someone might experience hearing characters (ie, active imagination plus vivid inner narrator, hallucinations, them actually being alters and not headmates (if we're separating plurals from systems at least, some are one in the same but some are different), etc), and while it can definitely be a plural experience, it's like how people can have DID and have parts but still consider themself a singlet / not a system or plural in the way others do. im really shocked people say it's inherently a system/plural thing. yes, maybe everyone has the capabilities of being a system/plural, but not everyone is or will be, and some experiences are just... experienced different by different people.

All of this has been really cool to think about — genuinely, thanks for your insights. I wasn’t particularly considering plurality as a spectrum (sometimes can be hard to wrap my head around that) so thanks for reminding me of that.

Also, I do… vaguely see myself as plural?? It’s hard. The alienation is strong from the plural community. I used to strongly identify with the label and still do, but I feel almost like I can’t due to a lot of factors.

I also like your additions about normality. I have complex thoughts that my brain can’t put to words atm, but I wanna emphasize that normal isn’t a synonym of healthy, and abnormal doesn’t mean unhealthy.

Last addition, to loop back to the whole writer thing: the “this is inherently plural” thing has been frustrating, particularly because I don’t think EVERYONE I’ve seen talking about it is meaning it that way. A lot of the time, I see folks say, “it’s not normal to hear your characters autonomously in your mind, you should consider the idea that you’re plural!!” And while that’s valid… it is absolutely a “normal” experience — what people who read that interpret that as is “this isn’t a singlet experience.” And singlets do experience it.

I’ve seen at least 3 people now start identifying as plurals and systems *directly because* “well I hear my characters in my head and that’s apparently plural!” And while, again, this could be fine (not my place to tell folks what they’re experiencing), it had led to genuine distress in people I know. I hate seeing folks in distress like that over something that might just be… well. A “normal” experience. Not sure how else to describe it rn.

Anyways. Lordie. I’m gonna head to therapy now. Thanks again for your insights — it’s given me a lot to think about!!!

[ghostieroastie]

A ramble about our system ^^

We're separated into two layers, Main and No Man's Land. (that's a reference but it's literal)

We were a system of 50+ members, before over 50% of our members went to No Man's Land and lost the ability to front and communicate. Sometimes headmates come back but it's very rare (Sleepy, Techno, some others)

Before the big bad we were known as PlushCoven (miss it sm). We decided sense the big bad happened, we needed a change of name, because PlushCoven had fallen apart, therefore becoming GhostBusters, and I, Juno, GhostieRoastie online.

We currently have 30 members, 31 are registered on PK because of our Blurry/Anon bot.

Each member chooses a favorite color, 3-4 emojis, and ofc, a name and Pronouns. (Assuming they didn't form with a name, but even then they can change it)

Then we do our description. Everyone's is the same because of our OCD and such.

We have One (1) host and Two (2) Co-hosts.

I am the host,

Ciel is next in command, Co-host No. 1

And Ashley is next, Co-host No. 2

We have afew system rules, but the main one is *Ask the Host__s__ (ALL OF THEM!) before telling someone were plural* and it's a general safety precaution. The others are "ask the hosts before spending money" and generally related stuff.

When We were smaller we took turns dressing the body! It was quite fun bit we got quite afew weird looks for changing aesthetics so often. Now, when a newbie (/affectionate) forms, they get to dress the body the next day as a comfort thing.

Same goes for when someone is dysphoric, uncomfy, misses home and/or people etc

Almost Every GhostBuster has a role, but it's not required, just kinda nice to help the hosts out.

Alot of systems assume Hosts/co-hosts don't have other roles but for us, our Host group does the most work! We have a very specific way of operating, headmates deal with the least amount of stress, Hosts the most. Essentially our goal as hosts is to protect our system from the outside terrors. We're essentially the protectors!

But we also have designated protectors besides the hosts. They deal with the worst of the worst and are the only headmates that know of how bad certain stuff is.

Then our caregivers tend to our littles, and our age sliders. Usually that's done in headspace, but when a little is fronted caregivers keep littles from getting into trouble.

Care*takers* tend the body's needs when the host isnt able to, showers, eating, cleaning the room, self care, removing ourselves from bad situations, the basics

We also have outlets and attention seekers!

Outlets let us express certain aspects of ourselves, creativity, fashion, feminine stuff, anger, sadness, and some other things!

Attention seekers are what they sound like. They make sure we get the affection we need, that people around us see us and our needs, make sure we're not ignored, and honestly let us express when we need to be focused on because of certain mental health issues!

That's about it, sorry for the long post TwT

[is-that-plural]

weird question, if we give descriptions of how they could be read as plural, are we allowed to send in OCs?

cause I have these two (four?) OCs that I made a while ago before even knowing what OSDDID was and looking back they feel very plural !!!

ofc I’d give you a description of how they were because otherwise you wouldn’t . know, but yea !!

(also, idk if we can claim anons, but if so can we claim 🧂🪨? /nf)

!!

not a weird question at all !! no worries dear 🧂🪨 anon !!

we're a little conflicted on how best to give you an answer, because submitting OCs can get Really Tricky, Really Fast, and we don't dare cross someone's boundaries or say a character who isn't ours is something they are not, but on the other hand technically we've already had an OC submission here: (x )

-> So i think, that as long as you are the creator, or the creator is someone like that last post, who was so famous and has the rules of their character said somewhere easily read (again like the last post, it was really easy to find who the character belonged to and really easy to check if it was okay to make the sort of post we did) Than; Submitting OCs is okay for the most part !!

just don't simply create an OC only to be put on this blog, its not a place for self promo, and OC submissions might be purposefully scarce throughout the others, as its not a focus here (but if in the near or far future if we ever created a discord server for our lovely followers here, then we'd have a self promo channel there !!, let us know if you want that <3)

[ yes ! its ok to claim anons! we use them mostly for tagging purposes, so if you are unsure if theres a claimed emoji(-combo?) anon, then search the emojis in the tags real quick, and if there is none; its free to use!! we're not gonna keep track other than the tags though </3 (or we get like 100 emoji anons, maybe there will be a point where we keep track ]

[sleepy-slothy]

- Do you have a large headcount?

Kinda, is 30+ alters a large head count?-

- Do any headmates in your system have typing quirks?

Yes! Greebern (who doesn't front that much) and Trident do :)))

- Does your system have any Non-human alters?

Yep, there's a slime and there's a shapeshifter and there's a fucking dragon somewhere here-

- Is your system neurodivergent?

Yea, Trident has autism(?) and ADHD while I have ADHD myself.

- Does your system use neopronouns or xenogenders?

Mhm, Atlas uses he/they/xe pronouns :)))

-Do any of the headmates in your system have dyed hair and/or is your hair dyed bodily?

Yes and no. Yes because Atlas and some other alters have dyed hair, but our we did not have our hair dyed bodily.

-Are there any nonspeaking/nontyping heasmates in your system?

Mhm, most of our littles are nonverbal and would often use their emotions to express what they want to say. Same goes for Greebern and Phage!

-Does your system have angry and/or "dangerous" persecutors?

Yes, Arkas is one of those alters but he gets pushed out of front most of the time whenever we see a person who's bad/or mean since he'll become aggressive. Which is sad because he's mostly ridiculed for being too agressive as a protector and persecutor.

-Do your littles use baby talk?

Yes! Our twin littles us baby talk a lot :))

-Do you have a large or complex headspace?

Yea, we have the whole ass U.A. high from BNHA-

-Do any headmates in your system have exo-memories?

Okay so I had to do a quick Google search about it since I forgot what it means- BUT yes I think so? idk- if there are any systems out there that know what it means please inform me in a the basic kindergarten way bc I basically can't understand big words- TvT

-Does your system have any tics?

Do anxiety tics count? If so, then yea! Greebern and Collie both have anxiety tics :)

-is your system bad at masking?

A bit since it depends on when someone's gonna switch and who that alter is-

-Do any headmates in your system have an accent that the body does not?

Yes! Arkas has a Scotish accent while Cecil has a slight German accent.

-Do any headmates in your system speak in a different language?

Yea, kinda I guess? Cuz I heard Cecil shout sumn in German-

-Does your system use things like pluralkit and simply plural?

Yes! We do use both platforms. But we haven't updated our simply plural in a year- so we might need to update it before we can share it here. But our discord is @lost_souls.system! We are mostly active there in my messages so if you have discord and wanna be friends, please notify us before sending a request :)

-are you out about being a system? IRL or online or not at all?

We are out online only, since we don't really trust anyone IRL with the fact that we are a system.

- Do you post headmate intros as their own posts on social media?

Yes! We are currently working on the core's intro (me, Emrys)! It'll be out soon once we finish a portrait of Emrys-

- Do you make those "headmates that would get us fakeclaimed" posts?

Nope! As far as I know, we don't really care if we get fakclaimed since we literally just exist. Hell, Arkas just spawned outta nowhere like a freaking mob in Minecraft- so yea we don't really care.

- Is your system bodily a minor?

Yep! Below 16 :) but higher than 13 ofc- We're not a small kid based on how we look like we're 20-

- Do your headmates date in system?

Yep! Arkas has an insys relationship with Collin (Apparently Collie's brother?) And Trident has an insys relationship with Collie (both Collin and Collie are Cecil's siblings as from what I know-)

- Do headmates have different art styles?

Yes! Me and Trident have very different artstyles! For which I draw with semi rendering while Trident draws with literally base colors only. (It kinda irks me bc it looks so dull TvT)

The Cooler System Ask Game Based On Things People Fake Claim Systems On

- Do you have a large headcount?

-Do any headmates in your system have typing quirks?

-Does your system have any Non-human headmates?

-Is your system neurodivergent?

-Does your system use neopronouns or xenogenders?

-Do any of the headmates in your system have dyed hair and/or is your hair dyed bodily?

-Are there any nonspeaking/nontyping heasmates in your system?

-Does your system have angry and/or "dangerous" persecutors?

-Do your littles use baby talk?

-Do you have a large or complex headspace?

-Do any headmates in your system have exo-memories?

-Does your system have any tics?

-is your system bad at masking?

-Do any headmates in your system have an accent that the body does not?

-Do any headmates in your system speak in a different language?

-Does your system use things like pluralkit and simply plural?

-are you out about being a system? IRL or online or not at all?

- Do you post headmate intros as their own posts on social media?

- Do you make those "headmates that would get us fakeclaimed" posts?

- Is your system bodily a minor?

- Do your headmates date in system?

- Do headmates have different art styles?

No emojis/numbers just send the full question!

this post is based on this https://www.tumblr.com/million-with-a-b/734832850476695552/space-themed-system-ask-game-based-on-common?source=share ask game but with changed wording and some added questions + no dni on it for those uncomfortable with syscourse.