#dissociative disorders

[just-dissociation-shit]

[theapollosystem]

I found this research article on dissociative disorders

It's good because its through why the trauma model isn't exactly right it's faults and the sociocognitive models faults. It's how they're both right and wrong at the same time and how we can use those to create a new framework for dissociative disorders.

It's a very interesting read, cause well the debate of Traumagenic vs Endogenic has already being going on with different terms in psychology for decades.

Literally in the article there is "Yet we suggest that the origins of dissociation extend well beyond trauma. Even if trauma were a reliable precursor of dissociative symptoms, which it is not, it would still be necessary to explain (a) why only some individuals who experience highly adverse events experience dissociative disorders, whereas others are resilient, and (b) how such events bring about dissociative phenomena beyond the idea that dissociation occurs solely for defensive purposes. We suggest that the origins of dissociation are multidetermined, differ across individuals, and relate to failures in adaptive mechanisms operative in nontraumatic as well as traumatic circumstances."

Guys i can't believe its not as simple as its caused by trauma or not its both, It's almost like humans are extremely complex

-Apollo

[sophieinwonderland]

Quick reminder: MPD was a "multiple personality" disorder. Not a multiple "personality disorder."

MPD was always in the category of dissociative disorders since it was first introduced in the DSM-III.

The name change in the DSM-IV merely put DID's name more in-line with how it was already categorized.

So if you see someone rambling about how they won't trust old sources that call it MPD because doctors didn't know DID isn't a personality disorder, remember the person saying that is a fool who has no idea what they're talking about.

DID, even when it was called MPD, was always categorized as a dissociative disorder.

Learn. Your. Facts.

Learn your history.

Don't use a name change to disregard research that came before.

[canonicallyplural]

If this is okay to submit, because the series is still VERY early in development, and it doesn't come into play for a while:

Mallory Beckett from my work-in-progress analog/digital horror series The Nursery is canonically plural! She is the host of a partial DID system with an alter who is a partial introject of Mallory's late sister Ophelia.

I'll allow it! But when the project is out and gets to the point where the partial DID comes into play, please be sure to resubmit it! I'd be happy to help promote your project!

[dpdr-n-more--archive]

I'm so fucking disgruntled with the online community around dissociative disorders because it not dissociative disorders as a whole, its the ones that result in systems and alters. Not DPDR, Not dissociative amnesia, not the other types of OSDD or USDD that DONT result in alters or a system. Just the system ones. I cant even search dpdr without havibg to scroll through 10 system posts that misuse DPDR as a term for the symptoms (depersonalization and derealization) rather than the actual disorder that the abbreviation is for. (You cant have two dissociative disorders at once btw). Stop forgetting us. Stop ignoring us and our conditions. Stop minimizing our symptoms and experiences in comparison to yours. Stop saying dissociative experiences and repersentation are immediately DID related. (omori specifically).

EDIT: it is possible to have two dds at once:

"Technically you can "have" two dissociative disorders at once but you generally wont get a diagnosis as its pointless to have a DID/OSDD diagnosis and DPDR diagnosis because the prior two Technically encompass DPDR. "

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[chronicsymptomsyndrome]

Me: Your place is so much nicer than mine I’m so dysfunctional lmao

Friend: no my house is such a mess I have adhd too dude

Me: Sure but your place is still way better than mine

Friend: stfu everyone always says that

…

Friend entering my home: oh dang. fair enough. how are you living like this

Me: lol dissociation

[ametistapp]

Want to be part of a group blog on how to write neurodivergent characters?

[Large text: "Want to be part of a group blog on how to write neurodivergent characters?"]

I've found Tumblr blogs on writing physically disabled and POC characters, but nothing specifically for neurodivergence.

Maybe there is something I just haven't found yet, but even if so, I think the most resources the better.

So, hi! I'm Amethyst — amateur writer and neurodivergent, and now looking for people to help me out with this project.

I could try this on my own, but I would rather have other neurodivergents with me (especially with different conditions from mine)

Does anyone want to help me make a change?

[eliana-system]

"if you don't show your diagnosis you don't have x disorder/illness" sure buddy let me go through the hell of getting diagnosed just for this purpose, and if I already am, let me just post my personal information on the internet this seem so not dangerous and not bad advice thank you so much

What do you mean I can't get diagnosed officially with a severe dissociative disorder because it would be told to my parents and also make it near impossible to get a loan? What you mean doctors could refuse to treat me because they think I'm "crazy" and therefore making up symptoms? What do you mean if I put my disability diagnoses on the internet I would dox myself? What do you mean they're not in English so the assholes wouldn't even understand?????? Yeah I guess that means im faking! yippee my physical and mental pain are totally gone and I don't need my wheelchair anymore!!

[madpunks]

"it's really hard to get a diagnosis for dissociative identity disorder, which means it's fake." no, what that means is that the vast majority of diagnosing psychiatric professionals (at least in America and Canada) are not trained at all on dissociative disorders and did not receive enough training in trauma therapy to be able to recognize the signs of DID.

we were diagnosed 3 years after we originally tried to seek help for it, only because we were lucky enough to find someone who had sought the training and did the research. it has been confirmed since by several other professionals who have specifically gone through the training. it can and does happen, but the reason it's hard is because us dissociatives can't match up easily with the professionals that know jack shit about it.

that's the problem. a lack of competent providers and ways to get dissociative patients to see the ones that exist.

[genderqueerdykes]

I promise this is just coming from someone who wants to learn, and I apologize if it sounds hateful or rude for what I'm about to ask that is not what I want at all,

but when it comes to systems, DID, plurality, from what I have heard, it is something extremely extremely rare, and something that most people under the age of 25 the body isn't even supposed to like "reveal" until older. I'm just confused and I would really like to hear from someone who actually is plural and not just from like Google

is being a system, DID, and plurality even the same? And the only plural people I have met irl have like 25,000+ alters of dsmp characters (I ofc know not everyone who is plural isnt just fictive and it's all different)

just a very confused person who isn't plural and I would really like to learn and be educated !! I would really like to understand more and hate unreasonably for something I don't understand

hello there!

you can be plural without having DID. there's not really much else to it. DID is one form of plurality. it's not the end all be all of plurality. there are even other dissociative disorders like OSDD that get cast by the wayside when people adopt this kind of mentality. there's so much more to plurality than DID. also, there is no set age at which the symptoms at DID become apparent on the outside. i've been having dissociative symptoms since i was a kid. my alters were active and present even as a teenager!

relying on medical statistics alone for DID is a bad idea because most professionals who are capable of diagnosing someone with a mental health condition don't even know what dissociative disorders are or what they entail. my own therapist has known that I have DID the entire time i've known her, but she has told me that currently, she can't help me with it, because she has not received training for it. dissociative disorders are nowhere near as rare as we think they are, one has to consider that a number even as low as 1% - 2% of the global population is an absolutely massive number of people!

saying that DID is "extremely rare" in this case in order to discredit non dissociative plurals is an appeal to authority. it's appealing to the medical industry who refuses to take it seriously in the first place. the amount of professionals i've had who pointed out that i have dissociative disorders vs. the ones who never commented on it at all is pretty staggering. this is due to a lack of proper research due to lack of funding, not because DID is genuinely that rare. the reason there isn't more research into plurality in general is because of a lack of funding. medical studies and organizations require funding. if they don't see money in it, they won't do it.

DID is still a heavily stigmatized condition. things haven't gotten much better since it was renamed from Multiple Personality Disorder. people with dissociative disorders are still treated like shit in medical settings, so to me, it makes no sense at all whatsoever to pit dissociatives against other plurals because no one takes ANY of us seriously, it's not non-dissociative plurals' faults that we're not taken seriously. it's the medical industry. there are no medications to push for DID. DID does not respond to medication. this already makes a lot of doctors not want to interact with it at all, because there's no commissions for medications prescribed.

"And the only plural people I have met irl have like 25,000+ alters of dsmp characters."

i'm pointing this out gently, i don't think you're a bad person, but this is sooooo mean, please don't be that mean and judgmental about other people, plural or not. please consider how those people would feel if they heard you talking about them like that. even if you don't view them as plural, you shouldn't think it's okay to discredit their lived experience. what are you getting out of phrasing it like that? even if that person turns out to not be plural, please do not judge other people based off of things like this. you don't live inside of their head. you don't know what's going on in there.

i'm not entirely sure why people think this way about introjects and fictives, but they're an extremely normal part of the plural experience! one of the most well known DID systems of all time, Truddi Chase and The Troops, had not only fictional alters (Elvira) but also factual ones as well (Mean Joe Green). this is not new, nor is it isolated to non dissociative plurals. introjects and fictives are extremely normal. it doesn't mean someone is faking just because they've introjected someone, or someones.

hope that helps, in general, please understand that the only lived experience that you are the arbiter of is your own and you cannot tell someone else what they're experiencing, no matter what. plurality will look different for every person, system and so on that experiences it! the sooner you accept that the easier your own life will become. it's not hurting you for someone to have headmates that you don't like. that's their business, not yours, and that's actually a very freeing thing!

great addition from the tags:

[just-dissociation-shit]

Teleportation

[amethysthaunting]

feel free to add whether ur like OSDD-1a, 1b, P-DID, DID, polyfragmented, recently discovered, or any other notable distinction

[sophieinwonderland]

saw a fuckin singlet say that people under 16 can’t fully front as an alter other from the host 💀 HOW TF DO YOU THINK WE GOT DID??? FROM BLOODY RAP MUSIC??

- 🌌

So weird!

I think what this might be based on is how the DSM-5 mentions that children "usually" do not present with "identity shifting," but instead present with autonomous imaginary friends or personified mood states.

But I mean, "personified mood states" also sounds like fronting. Just maybe the headmates are less developed.

Also, "children" usually refer to pre-pubescent children in this type of research, while "adolescents" would refer to between the ages of 10-19. So I really have no idea where the "under 16" figure came from.

Basically, "child" in the DSM isn't going to mean "under 16", and even if it did, the "usually" attachment means identity shifting very well COULD happen in childhood. It just may not be as common.

In short, fakeclaimers need better reading comprehension! 😜

[canonicallyplural]

David Haller, from X-Men Legacy, is canonically plural! He canonically has DID, with thousands of identities, most of which contribute to his superpowers as a mutant (although not all; some of those identities are just regular DID symptom holders/manifestations of symptoms, such as an identity that has an eating disorder, another that self-harms, etc)

@seasidewanderers

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[fawne-is-gone]

hey quick question for other DID/OSDD systems or folks with dissociative disorders

is it normal for your limbs to seemingly change proportions depending on how much you're dissociating? my hands and forearms seemingly change proportions constantly, leading to moments where i look down and its like my hands are 5 sizes too large for my arms, and others where proportionally my hands seem small for my size. idk its weird and i wanted to know if it's a common thing (or at least a thing someone else has experienced)