#batgirls 17

[evasive-anon]

Just really love how bright and colorful all of Robbi Rodriguez's variant covers are for Batgirls.

[brrntsoda]

GOD THEYRE SO HAPPY AND FREE TOGETHER AS THEY DANCE TO A SONG UNKNOWN, DRAWING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO ONE ANOTHER AS THE WORLD AROUND THEM BLURS AND “IT’S JUST US” IN THIS MOMENT

[dispatchdcu]

Batgirls #17 Preview

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Batgirls #17 Preview: Nothing says spring like the Aparo Park Spring Jubilee—live music, good food, and besties Cass Cain and Steph Brown unwinding after a long day of Batgirling. But the day turns sour quickly when snipers Gunbunny and Gunhawk appear on the scene…why are they here, and who are they targeting? It’s up to the Batgirls to protect their fellow Hills residents and find the snipers…

[breawycker]

Happy birthday, Cass!

[armed-with-a-waffle-iron]

Bat Family Ages (with Sources & Panels)

Notes: I'm NOT using a "year zero"; the calendar year before "Batman: Year One" is "1 Year Before Batman".

TLDR

Ages at the end of Preboot (Batman: Year Twenty)- Bruce (45), Renee (37-38), Kate (33), Babs (27-28), Helena (26-27), Dick (26), Cass (21), Jason (20-21), Steph (19), Tim (17 18), Damian (10-11).

D.O.B.-

Bruce Wayne- 26 Years Before Batman

Renee Montoya- 7th September, 19 Years Before Batman

Kate Kane- 14 Years Before Batman

Barbara Gordon- 8-9 Years Before Batman

Helena Bertinelli- 8 Years Before Batman

Dick Grayson- 1st Day of Spring™, 7 Years Before Batman

Cassandra Cain-Wayne- 26th January, 2 Years Before Batman

Jason Todd- 16th August, 2 Years Before Batman

Stephanie Brown- 1 Year Before Batman

Tim Drake-Wayne- Batman: Year One

Damian Wayne- Batman: Year Nine

Long Version

Bruce Wayne- 26 Years Before Batman

On the 4th of January, Year One, a 25 year-old Bruce Wayne returns to Gotham after 12 years abroad on 4th January, months before his first outing as Batman (Batman: Year One #1). Unless his birthday is between Jan 1-4, Bruce turns 26 the year Batman is born.

Dick Grayson- 1st Day of Spring, 7 Years Before Batman

Dick Grayson's origin story is appears in the tail end of Batman: Dark Victory, which takes place in the 4th and 5th years of Batman's career.

In its sequel, Robin: Year One, Dick begins attending Bristol Middle School. And in Batman & Robin (2009) #13, Dick, as Batman, tells the Joker he had already figured him out at 12 but The Joker doesn't appear in Robin: Year One. So, Dick is probably 11 when he becomes Robin, in Year Five (Dark Victory). Dick is 19 years younger than Bruce.

Important for later, Dick becomes Nightwing, aged 19 (Nightwing: Year One and Batman #116) in Year Thirteen.

Jason Todd- August 16th, 2 Years Before Batman

According to his death certificate, Jason Todd was 15 years and 8 months old when he died on the 27th of April (Batman Files). His birthday is August 16th (Detective Comics #790). At this time, Dick Grayson was 21, having left the Robin mantle 2 years earlier; at 19 (Batman #436). Jason is around 5 years younger than Dick. He was hence Robin for less than 2 years, from when he was 13 going on 14 in Year Thirteen up to 27th April, Year Fifteen.

Stephanie Brown- 2 Years Before Batman

Steph is 15 when she debuts as Spoiler (Secret Origin 80-Page Giant). At the same time as her debut comic, Deathstroke (1991) Annual 1 has Dick saying he, one of the oldest Titans, is no older than 21 (the age he was when Jason died). Dick is 6 years older than Steph. So Steph debuts in Year Fifteen; the same year Jason dies and Tim becomes Robin.

Steph becomes Batgirl right before her freshman year of university, aged 18, going on 19 (Batgirl 2009 #1). This is in Year Nineteen. Which means that Preboot ends in Batman: Year Twenty as Steph has not yet entered sophomore year. Convergence takes place after of course.

Barbara Gordon- 8-9 Years Before Batman

Batgirl (2000) #45 shows that Babs was already Batgirl at 18. As an adult, Babs is 5'11" and yet she did not meet the minimum height requirements for the GCPD or FBI during Batgirl: Year One. She must have become Batgirl before she stopped growing, and so was at most 16 during Batgirl: Year One. She also says that she is older than Dick in Batgirl: Year One but they must be close enough in age for them to go to prom together (Detective Comics #871). My theory is that Babs didn't go to her own prom because she skipped grades and was or felt too young so her high school prom was actually when she went with Dick to his. Babs is somewhere between 1-2 years older than Dick.

There's more evidence for this. Dick is already a Teen Titan during Batgirl: Year One and in New Titans #89 said that he knew Donna Troy since they were both 13. So Babs likely became Batgirl between Year Seven and Year Eight, when she was 15-16 and Dick was 13-14. Also, Dick and Babs have a picnic as friends 12 years before The Black Mirror, in Year Twenty, so these ages are pretty perfect.

Important for later, Babs is shot by the Joker just before Jason is killed and becomes Oracle before Tim becomes Robin. This is in Year Fifteen; she is roughly 22 here given that Dick is 20-21 at the time. No panels just math :P

Cassandra Cain-Wayne- January 26th, 2 Years Before Batman

Cassandra Cain debuts in No Man's Land aged 17 (Batgirl 2000 #1) and turns 18 on the 26th of January the following year, though she only learns this after it has passed (Batgirl 2000 #33). Later that year, Bruce brings her to Jason's grave on the 16th of August, the day he would have turned 18 (Detective Comics #790). She is 7 months older than Jason.

Helena Bertinelli- 8 Years Before Batman

Helena Bertinelli was 8 when her family was murdered and the events of Huntress: Cry for Blood takes place 15 years after, following directly after No-Man's Land. Huntress is hence 23 following No-Man's Land. Cass turns 18 soon after No-Man's land, so Helena is around 5 years older than Cass.

But, Cass is born in January and Helena could be born later in the year. Helena Bertinelli is 21 years-old during Huntress: Year One; when she becomes the Huntress. She soon moves back to Gotham after Carvinal in Venice (late Jan-early Feb), and encounters Barbara Gordon as Batgirl. Babs is at most 22 here so Babs is close to 1 year older than Helena and Helena is slightly older than Dick. Huntress debuts at the tail end of Year Fourteen.

Damian Wayne- Batman: Year Nine

Dick and Stephanie call Damian a 10 year old in Batman and Robin #2 and Batgirl #17. One takes place before Steph starts uni (since Damian appears in Batgirl 2009 #1) and the other takes place during Steph's second semester of freshman year (Batgirl #13). So Damian is 9 years younger than Stephanie. He first appears aged 9 at the start of Year Nineteen and becomes Robin later that year, aged 10.

Renee Montoya- 7th September, 19 Years Before Batman

In 52 #14, published in 2006, we see Renee's passport and date of birth: 9/7/1970. It is the 14th week of the year so she would be 35 going on 36. 52 takes place in Year Eighteen, the calendar year Damian turns 9, so Renee is 27 years older than Damian.

She debuts as the second Question in 52 #48 the same year, aged 36.

Kate Kane- 14 Years Before Batman

Kate Kane is 32 at the time of Batwoman: Elegy, in Year Nineteen, since she was in the same class at West Point as the real-life activist Dan Choi, which means that she was part of the US Military Academy Class of 2003. Damian is 10 at the time so Kate is 22 years older than Damian.

Tim Drake-Wayne- Batman: Year One

Tim's age is THE weird one because DC are hellbent on keeping him at 17. It's too much for my brain, like how is he still 17 in Red Robin?? Let's say he seems to be only a year younger than Stephanie Brown a la Secret Origins 80-Page Giant or that he was bitten by a strange vampire bat during the One Year Later time skip. Your pick.

Fun fact: Dick permanently becomes Batman at 25 (in Year Nineteen), which is possibly the same age Bruce was when he became Batman.

[skywalkervahnya]

I am once again asking DC to take Steph and Cass seriously and stop treating them like they’re 14

[stealingpotatoes]

Do you take some inspiration from Ligne Claire for ur art?

i'd actually never heard of that before today lol!! but looking it up, yeah i guess i must've without knowing it? i'd probably say my biggest inspirations for my comic style are the batgirl of burnside comics specifically and (this might sound stupid) lego games n tv LOL

[comixnmoviefan17]

[welcometogrouchland]

I love it when "they should be at the club" is like, an actual character dynamic, with person A looking at person B as they work themselves to the bone/throw their own happiness away for the greater good/take on more responsibility than anyone could ever hope to bear and they're just like. Hey. You should be at the club

[nfcomics]

BATGIRLS no.17 • cover art • David Marquez [April 2023]

Nothing says spring like the Aparo Park Spring Jubilee—live music, good food, and besties Cass Cain and Steph Brown unwinding after a long day of Batgirling. But the day turns sour quickly when snipers Gunbunny and Gunhawk appear on the scene . . . why are they here, and who are they targeting? It's up to the Batgirls to protect their fellow Hills residents and find the snipers before anyone gets hurt.

(W) Becky Cloonan, Michael W. Conrad (A) Robbi Rodriguez (CA) David Marquez

[holyblankbatman]

it hurts me personally every time i think about how cass’ age is tied to tim’s instead of jason’s. we could’ve gotten twin cass & jason as scary cool big siblings!! but no, instead all we get is her, tim, AND steph stuck in timeless, ageless hell for all eternity while the others get to grow up and move on

[hauntingblue]

No but what if instead of Robin we get batgirl... as in Cass batgirl... and instead of a son Bruce gets a daughter...

[aingeal98]

Thinking about how Cass's OG artist draws her in the Batgirl run and how there's just something about it that no other Cass artist has been able to replicate. The way she's so clearly 16/17, the youthful playfulness in her eyes, the unique features and expressions on her face, the casual clothes she likes to wear (and the lack of whitewashing but that's more the specific colourists). The way she doesn't look perfectly glamorous but instead looks human, like a teen who's been homeless and on the run since she was a child and is only now rediscovering happiness.

I don't hate Cass's features maturing as she gets older, and since she should be around 23 in canon it's not that relevant anymore. But when it comes to teen Cass, no artist has come close to this. When I picture teen Cass I am always thinking of Damion Scott's artwork.

[banditgirl-vs-batgirl]

34 days until PJ

[theotherpacman]

BAT TIMELINE

is this timeline canon? no. but can any timeline be considered truly canon? checkmate

1967 - Bruce is born

1975 - Thomas and Martha Wayne are murdered

1982 - Dick and Barbara are born

1988 - Jason is born

1989 - Cass is born

1990 - Bruce (23) becomes Batman

1992 - Tim and Stephanie are born

1994 - Flying Graysons are killed, Bruce (27) adopts Dick (12) who becomes Robin

1995 - Duke is born

1996 - Bruce (29) has sex with Talia Al Ghul

1997 - Damian is born

1998 - Babs (16) becomes Batgirl

2000 - Dick (18) moves out, Jason (12) is adopted, becomes Robin

2003 - Jason (15) dies, Tim (11) becomes Robin, Babs (21) is paralyzed and becomes Oracle

2006 - Jason (18) comes back to Gotham, Cass (17) arrives in Gotham, becomes Batgirl, Steph (14) becomes Spoiler

2007 - Tim (15) goes away to boarding school, Steph (15) becomes Robin

2008 - Tim (16) comes back to Gotham, takes up Robin again, Steph (16) becomes Batgirl, Cass (19) becomes Black Bat

2009 - Bruce vanishes, Duke (14) fights some crime in Batman’s absence, then Dick (27) becomes Batman, Damian (12) becomes Robin, Tim (17) becomes Red Robin

2010 - Bruce comes back, adopts Duke (15)

this is the timeline that I'm gonna use when I write fics. maybe one of you will find it useful (or at least interesting)

I AM AWARE that canon is different. if canon was fucking possible to follow then I'd use that timeline ok

fuck canon anyway I ignore half of it

peace and love!

[armed-with-a-waffle-iron]

Stephanie Brown Being Great with Kids

Batgirl vol. 1 #53, Robin/Spoiler, Batgirl vol. 3 #24 & #17