#tw: shipping discourse

[furiitha096]

why do anitshippers gravitate to dark media so much

[correlance]

The fact that this account literally has a fucking Catradora header, but is somehow lecturing Charlastor shippers on being "sick" and "supporting abuse and abusers". 💀 OP needs to look in the mirror.

I always think everyone is free to shipp who they want, but in Hazbin I will never understand who puts Charlie and ALASTOR together.

This is so...sick

Alastor himself aromantic, asexual and above all an ABUSER of the worst kind.

The song Loser,baby places Husk as a loser enslaved to Alastor in the same way as Angel is enslaved to Valentino.

They can tell me all they want that "I can prove Charlastor can work" but the canon says otherwise and to see Chaggie get so much mud from these shippers is really frustrating.

At least Vaggie really thinks about Charlie, not manipulating her for his own purposes....

But then people ignore all those times when Vaggie has been OF REAL SUPPORT to Charlie.

This rabble who belittle Chaggie watched the show with their eyes closed and ears plugged.

Listen to Whatever it takes with your ears pls

[muwwwsky]

you know i would rather trust an adult proshipper with "disgusting" and "weird" kinks who clearly knows the difference between fiction and reality and not allowing minors to interact with them than an adult antis who stalks minors with rape and death threats because of fictional characters

[locustgirl]

not to be radical or whatever, but i think that maybe calling women and queer people “pedophiles” for fanfiction is actually not the activism you think it is

[leyleysgrave]

and this is why i trust proshippers over antis

[correlance]

I ship Charlastor, but people should really not be criticizing the "Huskerdust age gap". Charlie is 200 years old, and Alastor is 120. 💀

Judging by previous canonical ages from Q&A interviews, Charlie is somewhere in her 20s, physically and mentally, wheras Alastor died in his 30s-40s. Charlie is a Nephilim - or half-human, half-angel - so her growth was considerably slower than that of a normal human being.

However, as both of the characters are presumably immortal - Alastor is dead, frozen at the age he died at, whereas Charlie presumably stops physically and mentally aging and maturing once she reaches her 30s-40s as Nephilim (300 years old? 400?). Age is just a number.

When time literally means nothing when you have eternity - after all, both Lucifer and Lilith are 10,000 years old - something as frivolous and petty as "age gaps" is a stupid thing to bring up as "problematic". The same goes for Angel Dust and Husk, who are both dead adults.

[enemywasp]

I have never been so pissed off at comments in my life, we had gone back and forth for a while with them claiming I'm invalidating incest and normalising it. But this just made me give up and realise they are not worth my time.

[sparkling-pink-lemonade]

Saw a post of an anti saying that they are leaving AO3, as they are too uncomfortable to post their fics there now. The reason? They found out one of their long time readers was a proshipper, despite their fics having proship dni. And how "that includes silent readers too, I don't want you all looking at my content."

My brother in christ, you are posting on the fiction freedom site. The proshipping site. Dnis aren't god damn restraining orders. They are one tool in helping you display your boundaries. It's still on you to enforce your boundaries. You post something publicly, you forfeit your ability to regulate who can view your work. If you're obsessive enough, you can regulate who actually interacts with your work by stalking each person in the kudos list, comments, or bookmarks and then blocking snyone you don't like, but you do not get a say on who may silently read your posts. Not unless you private your work and only show it to specific people.

And if you don’t want proshippers to interact, get off the profic site.

[the--queen-of--hell]

I miss those times when you could ship whatever you wanted without being harassed for it, without being told you're a pedophile or a groomer, and without being told that you should kill yourself.

[allthingswhumpyandangsty]

literally just saw another “call out” post in my fandom, “this person ships these characters together, they support fucked up things in fiction. moots, unfollow them, they’re disgusting for liking these fictional things 🤢” can we please just. not do this? especially with all that’s going on in the world recently, can we please not try to take away people’s source of comfort? who cares what fictional things a person enjoys? they’re ✨fiction✨. they’re ✨not real✨. you don’t know what battle a person is going through outside of social media. you don’t know if fandom is literally the last source of happiness they have left. you don’t know if fandom is the only thing keeping them alive right now.

ask yourself, is it really worth it? you claim to be “morally superior” by “exposing” people who find comfort in fictional things you deem morally unacceptable. but is it really worth it if your words drove a person into harming themself?

are you really being morally superior by being the reason someone hurts themself?

these characters are fiction. but the person you’re harassing in the name of being morally superior is a real person with real feelings.

if you find something that you don’t like, instead of going out of your way to harass someone, scroll past it, ignore it, mute it, block it. and focus on the things you do enjoy.

with everything that’s going on in the world right now, now is the time we need to keep fandoms safe. they’re the last source of happiness some people have left.

[questions-about-blorbos]

sorry about this not being an actual question but some people need to learn the beauty of Gross! Well, Not My Business

rape/noncon content isn't my thing. i think it is a little gross. however a couple letters on a screen will not hurt any real life people and i have mastered the art of Just Scrolling Past It. and my life is beautiful because of it. you can apply this to anything

this!!!! thank you

[muwwwsky]

"Proshitters only hate us because we don't like their disgusting pedo and incest ships!!" Nah lil bro we hate you because you stalk us, threaten us, spread disinformation about us, and wish for victims of sexual abuse to relive their trauma because they ship fictional characters. We don't care if you're uncomfortable with comship pairings as long as you don't touch us or try to harm us. Period

[carto0ncritter]

I'm sorry but I genuinely can't understand how people can look at Stolitz and Catradora and think these ships are healthy in any way, shape or form.

Stolas r*ped Blitzø. No, consent given in a life-or-death situation doesn't count

Stolas is racist towards imps, and this didn't change even when he "fell in love" with Blitzø

Stolas doesn't appreciate or respect Moxxie and Millie in the slightest (and was disappointed that his "Prince Charming" wasn't the one to rescue him)

He looks down on Blitzø and calls him things like "impish little plaything" and "his big dicked Blitzy" and doesn't stop treating him like shit even when Blitzø says loud and clear that he hates being talked down on like this (DUH)

The only thing Stolas knows about Blitzø is that he hates books and the only thing Blitzø knows about Stolas is that he's a boring bookworm. Keep in mind, the two figured this out about each other while they were kids, 25 YEARS AGO, after Blitzø was bought so that he could be Stolas' "friend" for ONE DAY

Stolas doesn't love Blitzø for Blitzø. Stolas loves the *idea* of Blitzø. The bird man wants to live a romance that is just like the romances in his cheesy novels. He wants to ride into the sunset with his one true love. He wants grand romantic gestures. He wants his "Prince Charming". Except, Blitzø isn't the type of guy for such sappy displays of affection, he never was. Especially combined with his trauma. And as soon as that other imp guy asked him to dance, Stolas not only accepted the offer, but Blitzø was no longer on his mind. And no, I don't think being drunk is proof that Stolas didn't mean what he had told Blitzø. Drunk people find it easier to say what's really on their mind after all

Blitzø fell in love with his abuser. This makes sense, actually. The guy always pushed everyone away and never got to experience true love, and now that he has the chance to be "wanted," even if the "relationship" is toxic, he finds it hard to let it go

As for Catradora, the things I wanna say about this ship have already been said throughout the years, but it all boils down to these things:

Catra mentally, emotionally and physically abused Adora

Catra had no problem ending the whole entire universe if it meant she'd finally be better than Adora

Catra was a war criminal and a fascist

Catra was responsible for what happened to Glimmer's mom and never apologized, let alone faced consequences

Their relationship was toxic even when they were kids

They were both raised by Shadow Weaver and were the only ones in the Horde who saw her as a mother figure, thus making the ship straight up incest, with even the official source material calling them sisters (adoptive siblings ARE REAL SIBLINGS!!!)

Catra got exactly what she wanted in the end (the girl she's always been obsessed with and dependent on) and, once again, faced 0 consequences for her actions

The show (and C//A stans) fetishizes abuse. As a SA survivor, I felt physically sick during the final episode, where the abuser ends up with her victim/sister and they kiss

In short, these ships are disgusting and the lgbt community deserves better representation

[ouchiemyspine]

'cop' is new tumblr buzzword. not everyone u disagree with is a cop. u cant make a 'terf' variation for every group that excludes anyone. words have meaning. the world doesnt revolve around u

[im-just-a-whump-machine]

🚨🚨🚨🚨CALLOUT POST🚨🚨🚨🚨

@annefrankwasbeautiful is a racist, antisemetic nazi bitch who should be blocked on sight, as well as seemingly illiterate, definitely brain-dead and just all around a lying cunt who gives Tumblr users a bad name through her shitty "keyboard warrior"-ism. Also, she cosplays punk culture despite being a trump supporter and also just and all-around shit human being.

[petrock42clone]

I swear to God, arguments made by proshippers to justify their degeneracy will never cease to amaze me with how stupid they can get.

"But it's not real." Doesn't matter, it's still gross to portray that shit in a positive light.

"I wouldn't support this in real life." If you're not gonna support it in real life then why the hell would you support it in fiction? Just admit you're a creep and get it over with.

"I use it as a way to cope with trauma." I don't want to call those people liars, but nine times out of ten I only ever see them saying this when they get called out for it. And if it's meant for coping, then why do most pieces of proship media glorify and portray it as a good thing when it shouldn't be seen that way? Also, I don't wanna be that guy, but maybe you shouldn't post that sort of thing publicly when actual creeps/criminals could use that for gross purposes.

"Fiction doesn't affect reality." Tell that to every piece of government propaganda ever released. Also, proship content does have an effect on people, especially young kids. I was exposed to a proship undertale fan blog when I was nine, and for at least two years I thought that shit was ok.

"So you support harassment towards proshippers?" Harassment is bad no matter who it's directed towards, so no I do not support harassment towards proshippers. Though I'll be completely honest and say that I don't feel sympathetic towards proshippers either.

"You're just a puritan." Dude if I were the puritan you claim I am, I probably wouldn't be ok with writing gore/torture scenes in some of my fanfics. And before you start yapping, I make it clear in those fics that those acts are not ok and are not meant to be seen in a good light.

Proshippers/Neutrals do not interact. Try arguing with me about why this shit is ok and the most you'll get out of me is a block.