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outtamynoggin · 3 months ago
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Bruce Wayne: Attention Thief
Tim: You know.. the more I think about it, the more unreasonable this is.
Jason: What?
Tim: I keep thinking about how reliant Bruce is on Dick and how Dick always replies in kind.
Jason: So what? Roses are red, violets are blue, get to the part where you say something new.
Tim: No, but I found Dick FIRST. I was the one who admired him. I was the one chasing him through newspapers, TV clips, and across Gotham’s rooftops. I was the one who met him first when Bruce was off brooding somewhere else! I was and AM the one who hangs out with him!
Jason: ...You're... starting to sound a little jealous.
Tim: I sound like someone who put in all the effort and should be reaping the rewards! By all logic, he should be dependent on me!
Jason: Tim. Buddy. You’re trying to out-obsess Bruce Wayne. Do you hear yourself? You’re one overly dramatic monologue away from becoming the next big villain if you continue.
Tim: *offended*
Jason: *shrugging*
Tim: ...You would know.
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bumblingbabooshka · 2 years ago
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Worst Guy Ever - Also, Unfortunately, Very Homosexual Convo. (subtextually)
#Evidence of Tom being a bad boyfriend is also in a file labeled 'Tom wants to fuck Steth so bad'#but seriously I wanted to deck him in this convo v_v FORTUNATELY it is bearable bc I think that's the point - like the narrative is#showing that Tom is 'ruining what he's worked for' by being a dick to B'Elanna so I'm not like meta-mad about it (like OTHER Tom/B'Elanna#moments) <- Ex: Tom saying 'I have a beautiful girlfriend' instead of something like#'someone I care about/a girl I love' but that's a like...tv writing thing. I don't like it but I know it's a tv writing thing#Woman as like a status symbol instead of a person you care about#I never care about Tom's inner conflict in Tom episodes (with the exception of the one where he gets thrown in solitary - him going full#rogue was fun) bc his inner conflict is always the most boomer bullshit#Literally he's just having a midlife crisis in this one.#BUT...GUYS....IMPORTANT NEWS...BULLDOG'S IN THIS ONE??#BULLDOG ?? My enemy BULLDOG BRISCOE from Frasier??? Good to see you man! This makes sense.#Steth....WHY would you choose to turn into a guy with a detailed and established web of interconnected relationships on a ship with a#complex hierarchy? Steth really thought he'd be able to play it cool on VOYAGER...the USS codependent...nu uh#they sniff you out and maul you like gophers on that baby#EHHEHEEH the Emh is funny as hell...'WOW...I had no idea me being so perfect at everything was making you feel bad! It all makes sense to#me now...' / Steth(as Tom):....Yeah v_v#SNRKEHEHEHEHEHEH GUYS..I'm taking a mental health day so I can reflect on myself and how even though I'll never be as good as the Doctor#I'm probably still worth SOMETHING#Steth(as Tom): Hey now B'Elanna...let's not go around blaming Steth for things. He's a pretty cool guy actually.#Okay yes confirmed! The above convo is also to show that Steth is 'being better' than Tom by telling B'Elanna what she wants to hear#unfortunately this does not make me like Tom more#SHE WANTS SO LITTLE. SHE ASKS FOR SO LITTLE.#BC Tom DOES say that B'Elanna is 'overreacting' and basically calls her crazy even when it's not for a later moral lesson and#this isn't framed as bad by the narrative. If your girl's always mad at you then your relationship ISN'T good.#There's literally NO resolution once again to their relationship issues. Tom shows her his garage program and when B'Elanna says she feels#she doesn't value her he says 'Yeah I do.' episode ends.#T/B scenes are literally [conflict arises then they argue or kiss] <- it is never...RESOLVED...#Me @ The Writers: (B'Elanna voice) Is this your idea of an adult conversation?#OH. Gay subtext: I hate spending time with my girl I want to hang out and live the bachelor life with my cool guy friend.#Tom's grease monkey program might as well be a subscription to playgirl magazine sit DOWN dude
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demonic0angel · 7 months ago
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Dead Silent. One of the batfam ask Danny why he’s more clingy than his siblings and Danny just goes “huh??” Cuz he’s probably the LEAST clingy. Dan is Yandere Levels of clingy, Jazz is Ride or Die clingy, Dani is probably Stalker clingy, and don’t even get him started on their parents.
Danny, by comparison, is the normal one and I feel like that should be appreciated so much more.
(This is SO freaking funny and you're so right omg. It got long bc I got excited again lmaooo)
"You... you think I'm... clingy?!" Danny cried in shock, looking around for a camera. Were they serious? Was this actually real?
Duke said with a shrug, "Well... I mean, I always see you around Cass. We're just asking."
"I am literally the least clingy and the most normal out of my siblings."
Jason snorted from where he stood behind Tim's chair. Everyone was listening in but only Damian and Duke had the graciousness to not pretend that they weren't. Even Cass was staring, blinking as she was held in Danny's arms for a cuddle after the patrol.
"Oh yeah? Prove it."
Danny glared at him and pointed to his shadow, which stretched out beneath him from the Batcave's lights.
"One, the only reason she doesn't follow you around everywhere is because Jazz literally has Shadow following you whenever you go out." As he said this, two eyes blinked from within Jason's shadow and then disappeared just as quickly. "Two, she had all of your medical information on a file in her phone! And just information on you, period! Three, just yesterday, she blew up two ships and took down a trafficking ring by herself because she got reports that they put a hit on you! And don't even talk about how normal she is compared to me, because she definitely isn't! You just think she's a normal amount of clingy because the both of you have your brains rotted from romance novels!"
Jason made a face. It was one of great affront, grudging acceptance, and a wistful adoration. Danny couldn't even feel smug for proving him right because the look on his face was just disgusting.
Cass giggled from within his arms.
Dick opened his mouth and Danny pointed at him aggressively, clutching at Cass as he said, "You can't speak either! Dan is literally the most clingy out of all of us! You know what Jazz said?! He literally has abandonment issues and codependency!! Y'know what his name was before we came here?! It's "World Destroyer"! The only reason he hasn't done anything is because he really likes you and wants to spend most of his time watching you and keeping you safe instead of going around and causing destruction!"
Dick blinked. "But he also—"
"Wrong! He uses clones to do stuff while he keeps watch over you, and you're the only reason he has a moral code at all."
Dick made a considering face and then he smiled. "Aww, that's kinda cute. I didn't know he was so clingy."
Danny muttered to Cass, "Are you seeing this bullshit?"
She giggled again and patted at his arms that were wrapped around her neck.
Duke nodded, amusement on his face. "I see your point. But what about Dani? You're definitely clingier than her."
Danny made an error noise. "Nope! The entire Young Justice is codependent and clingy, so it just looks normal. And Dani just follows around Kon and Tim in intervals so you can't see either of them." He also grimaced at Tim, who was still working at the computer. "And Tim is already watching them, aren't you? You three are a bunch of freaks."
Tim looked up with a small smirk, much to Damian's audible disgust. "You got me there. I keep trackers and cameras on all of them. And Dani's usually just invisible."
Danny smiled triumphantly. "Hah! See? I'm the least clingy!"
There were murmurs of agreement and then Duke said, "I don't know, I think all four of you are clingy and weird."
Danny sulked. "No I'm not."
Duke gestured to all of him. "You're literally climbing Cass like a koala."
Okay, so his legs were wrapped around her waist and he was hanging onto her like a sticker, but so what? She didn't mind!
Cass snickered and said, "It's okay. He's light."
"Yeah, I'm light," grumbled Danny as he squeezed her.
Duke and Damian shared a look, as Duke said, "We should get out of here. Thank god these freaks are taken."
"Agreed. Thank goodness we are the most normal."
Now there were cries of outrage throughout the entire cave all over again.
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strwberri-milk · 14 days ago
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at home
|| Dick Grayson x Reader || Fluff || 1 522 Words ||
a/n - this is my bday fic uhh i just love dick grayson my affection for him came back in full force this year for some reason and its maybe not like the most amazing in chracter fic for him but i promise ive read a lot about him i just wanted a purely fluffy piece :(( ive got a few more things w him but his voice isnt quite yet perfectly solid in my head
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The days always crawled by slowly whenever Dick wasn’t home.
It’s not like you two lived together or anything. You also worked hard not to be fully codependent despite both of you having slightly clingy tendencies that were only unable to come to fruition in thanks to Dick’s incredibly hectic schedule.
You thought you’d grow used to it by now, but you never really truly did.
After all, if you had you wouldn’t find yourself buried deep in the closet of his slightly shitty apartment, laying on some makeshift nest comprised of the sheets that sorta still smell like him wrapped around your body.
You doze off a bit, clinging to a pillow that wears his shirt. The coolness of his cologne rests against your cheek and you ignore the slightly acrid taste in your mouth in favour of having the idea of him wrapped around you again. You’re so caught up in your daydreaming that you don’t hear the door to his apartment open, nor do you realise he’s too tired to notice that the pair of shoes sitting in the foyer are yours. He creeps up the stairs silently, Escrima sticks in hand, only putting them away when he sees the mess of blankets on the ground.
For a moment, his heart stops. He thinks something’s wrong, that you came in to find him and instead found yourself face to face with someone who wanted you dead. It’s not until he sees the easy way your chest rises and falls, how relaxed you look in your little cocoon that he exhales softly.
A shadow falls over your body as you look up, Dick now looming over you as his bright blue eyes focus on you laid across the floor of his bedroom like it’s a luxury mattress.
“…comfy down there?” he asks after a minute, the softest hint of a laugh in his voice.
“Yeah,” you mumble in response, turning to bury your face in the pillow.
Dick tries not to look too offended as you seem far too comfortable snubbing his actual real moving up and down chest in favour of whatever contraption you’ve got set up inside his closet.
“What are you trying to do?”
You ignore him as he crouches down to get at eye level with you, chuckling a bit at his slight wince and the way his joints sound clicking into place.
“Ha. You’re getting fucking old,” you taunt as he lightly flicks you wherever he can reach.
“I literally just got home. What did I do to deserve that?” he asks petulantly.
It takes him another moment before he decides to see what all the fuss is about, laying on the ground next to you. Unlike you however, he has none of the amenities you’d acquired – stolen – from his bed. You look at him out of the corner of your eye as he just lays there for a bit, turning his face to look at you with half a grin.
“I don’t get it. Why are we both down here?”
You don’t reply to him, simply taking in the way he looks finally being here with you. Your eyes slowly trail over his face, catching the way his freckles are disappearing into his tanned skin since it’s not very sunny outside, the way his dimple is fighting for its life right now as he pretends he isn’t wanting to grin like a madman from just seeing you. Subtly, you begin shifting to lay down on your side, continuing to observe him.
You also don’t want to open your mouth, afraid to admit that this was the best way you were able to feel his presence whenever he left for long periods of time. His closet would always vaguely smell like him and as long as you made a nest to lay down on it really wasn’t all that bad. He watches you curiously, mirth filling his eyes as he watches you settle.
“I think I’m missing something,” he muses, something filling his voice and you know it’s not good.
You squeal out loud when he suddenly reaches an arm out and grabs you, pulling you into his chest tightly. The sheets drag along the small, cramped space of the floor as he buries his nose into your neck. After a moment, he starts taking comedically deep breaths as he gnaws on your shoulder in way that’s clearly not meant to be sexy.
“There. Much better,” he says when he’s satisfied with whatever he’s done to you, sighing happily as his leg hooks over your hip to keep your back in place against his chest. 
“Dick stop it – Dick -  oh my god-“
You make another noise of surprise when his hands slide under your shirt, hands resting against the planes of your chest as his thumbs keep themselves busy by circling on your skin. You try to fight his grip but it’s totally no use, Dick’s strength always impossible for you to fight out of.
“Quit squirming,” he mumbles, biting the back of your neck.
“I’m trying to get comfortable. You’re moving too much.”
He continues to manhandle you into place, ignoring the way you yelp and laugh as he does, finally satisfied when he’s got you pressed up against him as tight as he can possibly get you. His leg slots itself between both of yours, the thick muscle of his thigh pressing right up against your core. His arms are holding you so tightly against his chest you would think he’s restricting your airflow but somehow, he’s got you at a perfect medium.
“Done now?” you ask when he finally stops moving around, his breathing beginning to even out against you.
“Done,” he mumbles, now busying himself with pressing kisses to the bites he left earlier.
“Now, are you going to tell me what we’re doing on the floor of my closet?”
You let his words sit in the air for a bit, half heartedly shrugging before you decide to come clean.
“I missed you,” you say simply, hoping it’ll be enough to sate his curiosity.
“Ah. So, you missed me so much you wanted to become a part of my floorboards? I don’t think that’s quite how it works,” he teases, lightly squishing you a bit.
You’d rather him think that was the truth, barely nodding as you bury your face into the pillows. Dick can tell immediately that you’re trying to hide something from him and he’s not very happy about it, sighing softly.
“C’mon,” he coaxes, thumbs rubbing circles against your skin.
“Tell good ol’ Dick what’s wrong. Promise I won’t make fun of you.”
“Say that again and I’m breaking up with you,” you retort, elbowing him somewhere and feeling satisfied when he lets out a sharp noise of pain.
“Baby. I bruised my ribs,” he whines.
“Oh. Sorry.”
“You don’t sound it,” he replies, the pout quite obvious in his voice.
You take a moment, letting Dick continue to wine before you cut him off.
“Your closet smells like you. That’s why I’m here.”
He falls silent, the words settling against him. He’s equal parts flattered and upset that this is what you resort to in his absence, trying to figure out exactly what to say to you.
“’m sorry for being gone for so long,” he decides on after a bit, nuzzling against your skin.
“I know you understand, and you’ve been much more accommodating than you need to be. Just know I think about you every day whenever I’m away from you. Really,” he mumbles against you.
“I love you. More than anything. You make everything I go through worth it.”
“I know you do. I love you too. That’s why I miss you so much,” you reply, finally turning to face him.
He looks at you so earnestly, the fatigue in his eyes still there but somehow duller in the light of his love for you. His hand comes up to cup your face tenderly, rough pads of his fingers gently running along your cheekbone.
“You should just move in,” he suggests, shrugging.
You raise a brow, his tone far too casual for such a loaded suggestion. If you didn’t know him better, you wouldn’t see the light dusting of pink along the bridge of his nose or how his ears are turning a pretty red. He somehow still manages to keep his eyes on yours, an incredibly soft look in them.
“You wouldn’t have to break into my apartment then. And you’d see me as soon as I return home. Home doesn’t mean much to me anyway. It never was a place,” he mumbles lowly, nose pressed against yours.
You roll your eyes, knowing that Dick’s about to break out some cheesy line to romance you. You also know that it really doesn’t matter – you’re going to fully fall for it anyway.
“Home is wherever the heart is you know. And I’ve pretty much torn mine out of my chest and thrown it at you the second you batted your eyelashes at me,” he grins, pulling you in impossibly closer to press a kiss to your lips.
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ghostly-bat · 22 days ago
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are you a timkon shipper at all? do you think that jondami and timkon would hang out once both couples are dating? i like to think that they’ll occasionally all hang out together, but both damian and tim HATE acknowledging that their both dating kents. (they simply hate acknowledging how similar they are in any capacity, really). one time, the four of them ended up watching a movie together at wayne manor. dick walked in and said “a double date! how sweet!” damian threatened to stab dick if he ever used the term “double date” around him again. tim promised to hold dick down while damian stabbed.
Unfortunately I am not a timkon shipper, wish I was my life would be so much easier if I was but I will entertain you anon!
I think it's funny to think about Jon and Kon talking about their respective Robin and it almost instantly turning into which one is better.
Kon: Tim's pretty
Jon:
Jon: Damian's prettier
Kon: ... Tim is nicer
Jon: Damian's nice!
Kon: Yeah to you! Everytime I'm around he just glares at me... Anyway at least Tim's smart
Jon: You and I both know Damian's smarter
Kon: Hey I never said Damian was smarter!
Jon: Go kiss your nerd of a boyfriend
Kon: At least I like them nice and pretty instead of mean and pretty!
Jon: Please Tim is just as petty and you know that!
Kon:
Kon: Yeah... Yeah he is actually...
That or they bond of the fact that both their Robins are emotional repression lol
Meanwhile we have Tim and Damian that are just like
Damian: Hey Tim... Does Kon every just casually tell you that he listens to your heartbeat 24/7 so he can know where you are at any point in the day just in case something bad happens
Tim: ...
Tim, now a little concerned: No... I'd like to think he respects my privacy...
Damian: I see
Tim: What do you mean you see? Should I be concerned because I don't think that's nor—
Damian: No, that is all just wanted to check on somethings. Thank you for your time.
Tim:
Tim, now texting Kon: Hey you don't listen in on my heartbeat 24/7 so you can know where I am at any point in the day just in case something bad happens right?
Kon: Excuses me???
At the end of it all Tim and Kon slowly start to become aware and a little concerned over Jon and Damian's codependency
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mrstellmeafuckingsecret · 4 months ago
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can u pls tell the people your most traumatising sirius ships
i was going through a mental list of all the traumatizing sirius ships and that's just all of them i fear, so here's a handful of my current favs <3
sirius x walburga - she fucked him over. then, she fucked him ! she's possessive and overbearing and controlling, won't let him talk to any girls because it makes her sickk. she'll say it's because they aren't good enough for him and then go on to describe herself when talking about his wife. #1 most toxic, traumatizing relationship ever haunted him till the day he died.
sirius x james - codependent homoerotic best friendships have the most insane jealousy problems ever and james potter is NOT used to sharing, tails behind sirius 24/7 and he's sirius' entire concept of love soo. yeah. also i read pioneers and oh my god. also it just ruined his life like imagine getting dick SO GOOD you break out of prison and die for it.
(war time) sirius x peter - peter is playing this man like a fiddleee omg. ex situationship ended in marriage (hint: not with him), ex boyfriend is a nazi (according to him) and everyone he loves is dying PLUS he's being manipulated by the guy he settled for ??? peter is just 24/7 implying that sirius is Bad and sirius is like ykw yeah i suck and should prbly die
sirius x barty jr - is it even a traumatizing sirius ship post without a grimkiller mention? no, no it isn't. barty is everything and nothing to sirius he is good and bad and everything in between. barty's pathetic and weird and disgusting and sirius is like eww... wait hot. barty brings up his worst fears and humiliates him and hurts him and withholds food and information from him and makes him get off on it and sirius thinks I Deserve This.
sirius x barty SR - no because it's perfect. bcsr is kinder than walburga and orion but not so nice that sirius feels (completely) undeserving of it. he's constantly favoured over bcjr and praised and valued and loved and it's amazing for bcsr because he can literally make sirius do anything he wants in a moment. + sirius is being so used to favoured over bcjr (because he's competing as a son) that when bcsr goes to his wife instead of him (because he's now a competing with her too) sirius is tearing his hair out screaming crying throwing up
sirius x frank gallagher - this is a stand in for all the shitty guys sirius dated in and after hogwarts that were older, drunker, meaner than orion and with that also had very demeaning, d/s kinks with no aftercare, had a wife and kids sirius' age, talked about how much he'd like to screw other women in front of sirius, constantly criticized him. no one knows why sirius is dating him when all of his hot rich nice friends who would kill themselves for him are all pining over him.
sirius x minerva - completely totally one sided however it does take over his life for most of his time at hogwarts and he's going insane trying to get her approval and he's not even sure if it's just his mommy issues or a crush or what. doesn't study for anything but he'll stay up days to ace transfiguration so his hot older teacher will maybe smile at him and tell him he did a good job
sirius x regulus - guilt guilt guilt he 100% believes he's the one who brought regulus down with his lust and sin (it was all regulus' plan but shh he needed dick) and the self hatred and shame and sex repulsion and guilt and "im not just like them i'm worse"-ness is 📈📈
honorable mentions: sirius x pandora, sirius x evan, sirius x evan x barty, sirius x marlene, sirius x james x bellatrix
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farshootergotme · 10 months ago
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Alright, I'm back to this.
I already addressed in my reblog why Dick is considered to be an emotional support pillar in the Batfamily, not only for Bruce. Now I want to talk about this part in the og post, specifically:
"but. there have been instances where - like alfred - he enables bruce's behaviour and/or makes excuses for it."
I want to say that I agree. However, I want to elaborate on why I agree and why Dick could be considered an enabler.
Let's first define what enabling means to have that out of the way:
“The term "enabling" refers to the act of allowing or permitting someone to continue a behavior, habit, or addiction, often by providing support, resources, or excuses. Enabling can be both intentional and unintentional, and it can have a significant impact on the individual's life and relationships.”
So, at first, I didn't think Dick should be classified as an enabler since it isn't his responsibility to control what Bruce does. However, reading more about the subject, enabling includes taking on responsibilities for the other person and avoiding conflict by ignoring someone's harmful behavior or not putting any boundaries, which gives the other person the go-ahead to keep crossing those unspoken boundaries that you never really settled.
Although I would like to argue Dick does try to have some boundaries with Bruce, most of the time he lets him get away with lots of things he does to him. I mean, we know of the long history of abuse there is from Bruce to Dick, even if his actions are not always his fault/intentional. (See: mind-control, hypnosis, accidents, etc.)
I'd like to be corrected if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's a time in which Dick has directly addressed Bruce's not-so-great parental skills. Lack of safe environment for emotional vulnerability? Poor communication? Putting so much responsibility in the hands of a child? And I wouldn't say it is for not trying to make Bruce responsible. But when he was a child, confronting him about these things… Dick just wasn't suited for it. No matter how much insistence there might be from his part about them being equals, Bruce is and always was an authority figure. He was the owner of the manor, he was who had right over their equipment and the cave, he was the oldest—the parent, and Dick had no way to go against that without feeling like he was going to war in his underwear with a stick for weapon against a fully-armored warrior with shield and sword to attack.
And as an adult, having a discussion about any of this might be even harder because he's been since childhood rationalizing and excusing Bruce's behavior just so he could justify to himself why he couldn't say anything about it. Why he was letting himself get hurt without fighting back.
In his mind, Bruce always has some kind of reason. “He was traumatized”, “he was grieving”, “his parents had died when he was much too young, how could've he known better?”, “he tried his best”, “Dick understood Bruce better than anyone else, why would he need to communicate or show him affection when it's all hidden under the small gestures?” and it could go on and on.
That's where the excusing Bruce's behavior, thus enabling him, comes. This is where Bruce gets a pass because hey! He can't be blamed when it was a result of the circumstances! (But it does become a fault when he keeps going with the flow instead of trying to change the direction. “The circumstances” stops being an excuse when you're the one who contributed to them.)
And as the family grew, Dick started taking on more responsibilities for Bruce because Dick knows Bruce isn't apt to be everything the others would need. That lack of communication? Dick compensates by explaining for Bruce. The affection? Dick will give it to them. All the parentification? Brushed under the rug. Nobody notices (or ignores it) and it's a cycle of enabling Dick to be codependent and Bruce to be emotionally immature.
But despite all my previous points, Dick isn't always like this. He isn't letting things go everytime something happens. He isn't looking the other way to all the things Bruce does for his sake. In fact, out of all the kids, I'd say Dick is the one who's confronted Bruce the most.
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Batman #416
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And although he excuses Bruce to himself, he does let others know about Bruce's harmful behavior and encourages them to set boundaries.
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So, in conclusion, Dick both is and isn't an enabler. He excuses Bruce as much as he doesn't. He ignores his faults but also confronts him about it. He allows him his flaws and he points them out.
What I'll say is that Dick isn't like Alfred in this aspect, but he does on occasion unintentionally enable Bruce, even if not always.
Now, Bruce and Dick aside, I want to have a section to talk about why I dislike using the term ‘enable’ when it comes to a parent-child relationship. (You can skip over this, just a personal opinion that I felt the need to share. But it isn't needed for my argument, so is just an extra to my post)
When a child ‘enables’ a parent it can mean a few different things:
Making excuses for their parent's behavior.
Taking on responsibilities.
Providing emotional support.
Ignoring the issue.
Accommodating the parent's needs.
These all cause the parent to avoid responsibility, have no consequences for their actions and have their own scapegoat and emotional support that will make it easier for them to avoid seeking help or attempting to become better due to the lack of repercussions to their actions.
However, it really isn't the child's responsibility to make the parent see where they're going wrong. It isn't their job to go “Hey, actually, you should get help because you aren't treating me like your child”. They aren't the ones who have to constantly communicate their needs and point out the shortcomings of the adult, so it always gives me this sense of wrongness when I use this word for these cases because, really, it's more about the parent enabling the child by permitting and encouraging the parentification of said child than the child enabling the parent to be an awful guardian.
Yet again, that's just my opinion. I can change what the word means and what it includes in its definition. But I can have and voice my thoughts about it and believe there should be a different way of calling it that doesn't make it sound like the child is the one at fault for their parents behavior.
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sunlitlemonade · 22 days ago
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Pls elaborate on your dick and Jason codependent au 👀 I'm very interested<3
im afraid i don't have an interesting answer for you sweetie. its like an au of an au of an au?? dskhskeksejd
see the basic premise was bruce being lost in space on a jl mission & dick going to try & find him [why jason couldnt go with dick is part of the bigger plot], only for him to return with his dead body. this breaks both dick & jason badly. dick gets extremely insistent abt controlling jasons movement because hes afraid he might lose him too. now imagine aditf but its dick instead of bruce & he doesnt leave jason [their reunion was extremely messy in my head lol because again. dick isn't fuctioning well & isnt taking the idea of a loved one being in a place where he can't see/reach them very well] & they manage to leave barely unscathed because jason obviously still wants to save sheila & dick accompanies him. now after this is when they really become fully codependent because excepting alfred theyre each others only family & bruce's death was the last straw because hes the one who gave them the chance of a family again at all.
it just started off as something exploring grief & how far loyalty will take you [dick & bruce the og codependent duo sfhbkrfkde] which turned into a darker exploration of how the cycle of life & death will make you do fucked up things & define intimacy & boundaries for you. rest assured they became some sort of singular mangled entity in this au lol.
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fawnnpaws · 11 months ago
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it would kind of be so fun to be part of a codependent polycule where everyone’s making everyone else worse and there’s so many overlapping relationships and dynamics within it… like yes toxicity and jealousy and mess but also so much romance and obsession and INSANE sex.
and if there’s one thing i love to do it’s cause problems on purpose mhm mhm 🙂‍↕️🙂‍↕️
feeding the jealousy in the dynamic, letting yourselves be utterly codependent on each other. if one person is upset, everyone feels it, there’s no avoiding it. but when the dynamic is working it fucking works. you’re all so utterly obsessed with each other that the moodiness and jealousy don’t always matter. the sex is on a level none of you have ever felt before because you’re all so in tune with each other in different ways. you have a relationship with patrick that is completely different from your relationship with art, so the two of them get jealous of each other like cats forced into the same space, but their relationship with each other is so obsessive and love driven that they often end up fucking their frustrations out on each other or sharing you to compete with each other. sometimes when they fuck you they make you tell them who you like more, but you’re so brain dead on their dicks and tongues your answer changes every couple minutes, which is fine by them - they get to keep one upping each other. then you throw tashi in, the original object of their affections, who spends more time pampering and babying you than she ever did with them. it started off as you being jealous of her because art and patrick both still bicker over their relationships with her. eventually though, you become her little girl - she sets the rules for what you do and when, the deeper you get into this dynamic the more you need her to function. so jealousy blooms on the opposite side with how tender she is with you and how harsh she is with art and patrick. art especially finds it unfair, given she’s his fucking wife, but at the same time, he can’t hold it against you because he’s just as soft on you, if not more so. you, sweet perfect can-do-no-wrong you, fill a deep void for love that gnaws at his chest. he idolizes you like he idolized tashi, but instead of being an authority figure, you’re someone he takes care of and controls. patrick, on the other hand, sees the bratty side of you. he starts fights with you, pulls at your pigtails like a kid on the playground because he wants to see what’s underneath that sweet exterior. he wants to break you down and prove you’re no better than him, even though he’s just as in love with you as he is with art and tashi. just….. ugghhh complicated relationships because you’re all so fucked up in your own ways and will always love each other more than you love yourselves.
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notreallyaroad · 3 months ago
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bathtub chapter 2: a dirty type of clean
summary: With Sam really gone, Dean needs something to take care of. Luckily, he has a recently graceless angel in dire need of human lessons. Cas offers himself to fulfill Dean’s need for something soft to look after while sneaking in care here and there toward Dean himself, and damn it, Dean lets him.
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excerpt (the scene that made me write this fic) & tag list below the cut <3
“Shut your eyes.” Cas did as he was told then Dean soaked the washcloth in the bathwater, not caring about getting his bandaged hand wet, and brought it up to Cas’s face where he began to rub gently, wiping away the accumulated grime that his journey had left on him. Once he’d covered every corner, he rinsed his rag and made a second pass, just as slow, just as gentle. Just holding Cas’s face in his hands like this was everything Dean needed that he’d starved himself of for so long. But now it was just them, no one else around, no need for pretense; Dean needed someone to care for to fill the gaping hole inside him and Cas was vulnerable and needed to be cared for, and that was it. Not simply platonic but symbiotic. Codependent, maybe, but what did that matter?
He rinsed the rag again then wrang it out and draped it over the faucet to be used later. “‘Kay, now I’m gonna get your hair wet, so tilt your head back and just trust me.” Cas leaned back and with his hand on the back of Cas’s head, Dean guided him down until his head broke the water’s surface, careful that none got in his eyes or up his nose. Once his hair was drenched, Dean lifted his head back up then grabbed the bottle of soap and squirted some on Cas’s head just like he used to do to Sammy when he was young and new to all this. It hurt to remember, so Dean focused on what he could do with his hands to numb the pain, and so he began massaging the soap into Cas’s hair, making sure to cover it all.
He went on like that for longer than he probably needed to, but it calmed him to rub circles on Cas’s head like that. Hearing Cas’s pleased hums and content sighs continued to fill the hole inside him like dirt shoveled into a grave, letting him know he was doing good. But all good things had to come to an end, and he knew he couldn’t kneel there nude and massage his best friend’s head forever. “Gotta rinse you now, just like we did the first time, I’m gonna tilt your head back, just close your eyes and trust me.”
With one firm hand, he guided Cas’s head back into the water and with the other, he helped disperse the soap from his hair, making sure it was all out before pushing Cas’s head back up.
“Alright, now stand up outta the water, I’m gonna wash you.”
“Dean, you can just tell me how - you don’t have to -”
“Cas.” The look on Dean’s face was pleading. He knew this was breaking rules that he himself set, but he didn’t give a damn about the rules anymore, he just wanted to take care of his friend, to feel like he was needed by someone the way Sam had needed him once. He didn’t think he could live without someone who needed him.
Seemingly understanding the pleading tone in Dean’s voice, Cas gave in. “Okay.” He stood up. Dean re-soaked the wash cloth then squirted some of the three-in-one soap onto it and worked it to a lather. He stood up to meet Cas, his old knees cracking on his ascent, then he brought the wash cloth up to his chest and started scrubbing there before traveling down his torso. He did Cas’s shoulders and back, under his arms and down them. He ignored Cas’s groin area until he was ready to face it and instead washed his thighs then had him lift his feet out of the water and crouched to wash them too. Then it was time to just bite the bullet and finish the job, so, as gently as he could, he used the soaped up rag to clean Cas’s dick and balls, showing extra care to the sensitive area and doing his best to pay no mind to neither the weight of it in his hand nor how the act made him feel deep inside in the hidden recesses of his being. Dean wondered what Cas could feel if anything now that he was human, and if he did feel, he wondered what Cas felt in that moment while Dean took care of his most sensitive area, but they’d decided not to talk about it, so he’d never ask and as a result, likely never know.
Finally, he reached around Cas’s back and washed his ass, then rinsed and wrang out the rag, draping it over the faucet for a final time. “Rinse off now, then you’re all done. Easy, right?” he asked, despite the fact that things were nothing if not more complicated now, surely. Surely he’d crossed a line that would spell some sort of disaster and Cas was going to tell him that, try as he might not to make it so, he had made it weird and then whatever this was between them would be tainted forever, all because Dean was desperate to have someone to care for, someone to be intimate with when he felt so isolated. He was just waiting for Cas to say it, for the other shoe to drop.
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vintagerobin · 4 months ago
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I agree completely with ur analyses, the only thing I think might disagree on is parentification. I think Dick is parentified even if he doesn't see it that way. Bruce was supposed to be his parent but he was never emotionally mature to handle a child who just lost his parents and instead mate Dick be his emotional support
The comic can be read in that way because Dick sacrificed his life for Bruce who should be saving Dick but he doesn't do that. Dick is his emotional support but in this comic this is represented through Dick being his physical support who never looks after himself only Bruce, who only response is thanks after everything he went through for Bruce. He'll always he they're for Bruce but it's entirely one sided and that's what makes it so sad
Did you happen to read the other post that I linked...? About why I prefer it as a metaphor for codependence over parentification? Here it is again just in case, because I believe it addresses everything you're bringing up.
But just to reiterate: Bruce does not make Dick do anything in this comic. In fact he actively tries to prevent Dick from helping him inasmuch as he's able to because he knows it would be dangerous for him. Imo this is why it doesn't work as a metaphor for parentification, because that would rely on Bruce having an expectation or at least passive acceptance of Dick's support that just isn't present. He tries to send Dick away to protect him even when he can barely breathe. What Bruce wants explicitly does not matter to Dick in this comic.
Like... I'm genuinely not sure where you get the whole "Bruce should be saving Dick" thing from, at no point does the comic make that kind of parallel or reference that at all. Dick is an adult in this comic. Even the metaphor of the blood transfusion - he takes half of Bruce's blood and gives half of his own, taking half of his burden, and he survives it because he ISN'T a child and he IS capable of supporting Bruce as a fellow adult.
I also really don't think the point was that it's one-sided. I understand why it might come across that way, but I think the point was to give Dick all of the power in this situation, and render Bruce helpless. It's a reversal of the classic "Boy Hostage" scenario. Because you see, Bruce used to do exactly that kind of thing to save Dick all the time without even blinking back when he was Robin. I think this comic expects the reader to have that historical context.
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crimeronan · 1 year ago
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i got a very sweet ao3 comment about how glad this reader was that they wouldn't have to worry about a weird exhausting jealousy plot happening with the princess AU lumiter, which made me realize that it straight-up just..... never occurred to me that a jealousy plot was a possibility. or at least not a traditional jealousy plot.
like, you have this situation where amity is watching luz and hunter bedshare and be their queerplatonic touchyfeely codependent selves, i guess it Would be easy to have her, like.... to have her be like "ugh, i wish luz wasn't with him, i wish i didn't have to watch him with her and pretend i don't want her, i am such a sad lesbian".... Especially given her messy history with hunter. like i guess the potential is there for her to go "but why HIM, he's such a DICK, why can't you seeeeee you belong with meeeeeeee 🎶"
or alternatively, there's potential for amity to go "i can't tell if the two of them are romantically involved, i'll be So Sad if it turns out they kiss, but if they're actually Just Friends and Only Friends and Nothing Else then i'll feel totally normal and cool about them <3"
but it just like. it genuinely never crossed my mind that she might feel that way or that the dynamic could play out like that. like the lesbian yearning is there but instead of being "ugh, fuck hunter, i wish he wasn't here" it's more like "i am so fucking touch-starved and i can't even tell which of them i want to be."
when amity starts loving luz it's mostly because luz treats hunter kindly & that disproves all the worst things amity feared about her. when amity starts trusting luz it's mostly because amity trusts hunter already, against all odds. when amity starts making dumbass self-sacrificing decisions for luz, one of the first things she does is go to hunter like, "listen. OUR luz now. tell me how to help"
there was never ever Ever going to be a timeline where amity was like "if i want to be in a relationship with luz, i have to get rid of hunter." or a timeline where luz was like "well, i'm with amity now!! i guess hunter is no longer a priority or allowed in my bed <3" like.
why... why would i write that. when i could instead write, like. stuff that is actually. interesting....
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sunwarmed-ash · 2 months ago
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Whump April: Day 12
Dehydration-|-Tied up-|-Torture-|- “I wish you were dead”
I miss you heavy, I wish you’d let me, please don’t forget me, you had everything I lack
Content warnings: Torture
Penance. Atonement. Forgiveness.
Words that have never mattered to Lestat in his near two centuries of life have been his only leading light for the last 70 odd years. 
Louis hates him. Claudia is dead. Both are his fault, there’s no denying that now. He deserves to suffer as greatly as he has been, but even as Louis returns, extends an olive branch and a chance at forgiveness as the storm takes the ramshackle home down around them, Lestat knows it won’t be enough. It could never be enough. 
“I wish you were dead and not her,” Louis’s words echo hauntingly in his head. 
Lestat may have saved Louis from the sun the night of the trial but he almost lost him to it 7 decades later after he gave him to the gremlin. 
Even now, out of Armand’s claws, Louis is still suffering greatly. Lestat has not suffered enough. 
I wish you were dead and not her.
He started this- ‘arrangement,’ a year ago. When a mysterious duo in a black Impala came to NOLA looking for vampires. ‘Hunters’ they called themselves.
After 10 minutes of observing them, Lestat found a way to separate the two volatile, yet codependent, brothers. Even less challenging, he knew just how to whisper mutually assured destruction into the younger’s impressionable ear. One taste of his blood and Sam Winchester was his. 
“Got something new to try today,” Sam says, opening up his second, maybe even third hand duffle bag of assorted weapons, potions, and relics that the human hunters thought killed vampires.  
“Please don’t waste my time with more religious talismans,” Lestat sasses, eager to get tonight on the road. Tonight was the 75th anniversary of Claudia’s death (murder). 
I wish you were dead, and not her.
If he doesn't deal with that grief this way, well, it might be the year he finally follows her into the sun. “I’ve already told you-” but Lestat’s words die on his tongue when his eyes fall on the small silver relic in the giant’s hands. He hadn't seen it since his time with Those Who Must Be Kept. “W-Where did you get that?”
“I guess that means it's real then,” Sam laughs, bringing the thin blade closer to Lestat's bound and naked form. When Sam’s eyes land on his dick a wave of nausea comes over the vampire. 
“No, please,” Lestat gasps, yanking his hips back, breaking his own vow not to move. 
“Why,” Sam laughs cruelly, yanking Lestat back into formation with one huge hand. “Do you think anyone actually wants it?”
Lestat bites into his tongue. No, he supposes he isn't using it much these days, but still. 
“Anywhere but there.”
Sam smirks evilly. The knife cuts through the air almost silently before slicing from Lestat's right cheekbone to his lip. 
His skin, instead of splitting and bleeding, cracks, sizzles, and then Lestat is screaming, unable to hold back the true extent of his agony. 
“Shit,” Sam shrugs, looking over the tiny blade with a new form of approval. “I guess that one really does work.”
“Of course it does,” Lestat spits with an open-cheek lisp, “It’s over 10,000 years old, how you got your fucking hands on it-”
Lestat's tongue is silenced by the blade slicing two gashes across his chest. 
Another piercing burning flare of agony cuts through the vampire's body. His skin crackles like driftwood in a bonfire but Lestat barely whimpers before sagging in the restraints.  
“Can I kill a fang with this?”
“I think you know that answer,” Lestat growls harshly.  
“Good,” Sam says unflinchingly, moving onto the next weapon in his bag. 
When Lestat calls it, he looks worse than Louis did after the trial. 
“Where is it,” Sam demands eagerly. Weapons already cleaned and repacked, he’s ready to get the hell out of here before the fucked up vampire changes his mind. Sam, as promised, tortured Lestat up to his breaking point.  
“Hmm,” the vampire hums, barely able to lift his head to nod in the direction of the cabinet he hid the blood in tonight. “Thank you Samuel.”
“I told you, it's just Sam,” the tall man growls irritability, grabbing his payment and leaving without another word. 
It doesn't matter, they are finished for today. Lestat will see Sam in a week, after all his wounds heal. 
Lestat takes his time redressing after the hunter leaves. Now that he doesn't have to keep up a brave face, he lets a fraction of the pain he’s feeling show through. He trembles as he pulls on his coat and reaches for the second bottle of blood he stored for after. It wouldn't heal him completely, he'd have to drink it all for that, no he just needed enough energy to cloud home. He won't be walking for a while, one of his ankles is shattered. 
His ‘weekly confessional,’ an ironic yet still fitting name for what they do, is barely a slap on the wrist in comparison to his long list of crimes. Lestat could atone for an eternity and still come up in the red. He deserves to be miserable. To be alone. He’s ruined everything good he’s ever made for himself.
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celaenaeiln · 2 years ago
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I’m not sure if this is something you’ve talked about before so sorry if it is, but I’ve just been reading a bunch of your Bruce and Dick centric posts and was wondering,
They are mutually codependent and there is SO MUCH genuine love there is between them, but obviously their relationship leads to a lot of hurt on both sides (I feel that Dick gets the shorter end of the stick there but anyway) and one of if not the main point of contention in their dynamic is the fact that Dick wants freedom and autonomy in a way that Bruce fears because of his own insecurity about Dick and his trauma regarding having a lack of control.
Do you think there could ever be a situation that would make either of them (personally I’d say likely Dick because again, in their dynamic Bruce mainly acts however he sees fit in order to keep Dick with him rather than anything else) permanently cut off their relationship? Either totally or just in a personal sense while still working together professionally as heroes.
Then as a follow up, if their relationship was cut off, how do you think this would affect both characters (and possibly how it would affect Dick’s dynamic with the Titans, considering how a big issue with them is how devoted Dick is to Batman)?
I was gonna say I can't think of one but then I remembered the Batman Beyond Comics!
But even the Batman Beyond comics where Dick and Bruce are estranged, they aren't able to provide a reasonable explanation for why Dick abandoned him.
In one of the two fates, Dick gets shot by the Joker
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Which is not a great explanation because I know for a fact the cape is bulletproof because I've seen bullets bouncing off it. But also the purpose of Batman Beyond is that Bruce is alone and no longer Batman but the city still needs a Batman. Therefore Terry becomes Batman. If Dick stayed as Nightwing, then there really wouldn't be a need for Batman because Dick would just become Batman instead or pass it on to someone else. Bruce would still have his emotional support system and that can't happen. So the best writers could come up with to create an abandonment scenario is the bulletproof cape isn't bulletproof.
But even though Dick completely cuts off Dick, Bruce says in the continuing Batman comics in lieu of apology something along the lines of "you're still my heir, Dick." to which Dick just walks out and Bruce feels depressed. He could've taken Dick out of the will or cut him off too but until his death he kept waiting for Dick to come back even if he never admitted it. So yes, Dick is more likely to abandon Bruce under the extremely worst made up and not logically circumstances because even in the most nonsensical scenarios, it's impossible to write a comic where Bruce abandons Dick.
The second reason Dick leaves Batman is because Bruce slept with Barbara but worse tried to use that to prevent Dick from marrying her. Barbara explains the story to Terry.
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It's Bruce using other people to get Dick to stay single. Bruce's attachment issues are out of this world.
He promised Barbara not to say anything and the second she left he ran to Dick to tell him everything first!
Even after Barbara cheated on Dick, which still isn't believable, it can be excused for a night of passion where she was aching and missing him. But what's Bruce's excuse? He missed Dick too but he has no love for Barbara and much more clear-minded. He slept with her knowing that Dick would eventually find out one day and he used that knowledge as a weapon to keep Dick from getting married. Bruce and Barbara both know they don't love each other and Bruce could care less that she's pregnant but the potential of manipulating Dick into staying single was evidently too good to pass up.
Literally why Bruce???
But putting aside how both of these circumstances technically shouldn't happen for the sheer reason that it doesn't make sense for them to, the only answer for when Dick would abandon Bruce or vice versa is never.
But let's say it did happen and something went so egregiously wrong that Dick left him. How does that affect relationships? One answer - everyone would unilaterally side with Dick. When Bruce fired Dick, Superman was ready to fight him (verbally). But if Bruce had done something so horrible as to get Dick to actually leave him forever, given how Dick sticks with Bruce through everything and is canonically stated as Bruce's confidant, then at that point Bruce has become irredeemable.
It's not a surprise at all that no one, absolutely no one, stays with Bruce in Batman Beyond. He's completely alone with no family or friends. Because if Dick refuses to stay with him, then who will?
But one thing always stays consistent no matter what happens between Dick and Bruce. Whether it's the past, present, or future because even if Dick abandons Bruce for reasons undefinable - Dick will always come back for the kids.
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So no, realistically there isn't a circumstance in which Dick would abandon Bruce. In fact during Batman/Nightwing: Bloodborne, Bruce gets infected with a killer virus so Dick takes a vaccine that's been completely untested - purely experimental - and undergoes a blood transfusion with Bruce to save him.
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"I've got nothing to lose."
Dick would give up everything for Bruce. Their blood transfusion gets interrupted halfway when villains try to kill them but Dick fights off like 50 people while having hallucinations, pain, and a high fever from the killer virus but he'll do anything if that's what it takes to save Bruce.
That kind of devotion doesn't die easily. They're both equally unhealthily overly attached to each other.
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manic pixie dream girl bobby brackenreid queer headcanons yayyyy
bobby - transfem !!!! and genderqueer. (feels very close to being a lady but not quite, but certainly not a man) she/they. bisexual. possibly demiromantic
junior - queer, doesnt really label their sexuality, (they r very very sure that they like bobby though .) nonbinary. they/he. i’d like to think they would name themself julian/juliet, when given the chance. aromantic !!
lorraine - she/her. straight ally 🙂‍↕️ her brother can like whoever he wants hes a freak either way
nomi - she/her. lesbian and has some slowburn yuri shit going on back in st marys but now she’s a city girl putting up with her white family oh nomi you should be dyking it up with your friend and instead yr trying to forge a relationship with your cop dad 😔😔😔😔
bud - he/him. asexual but does not know that of course. has a lesbian sister
john - he/him, she if feeling it while it drag. gnc he realized that he can still be a brackenreid boy and do what he wants forever (crossdressing king) however he has not realized the extent of being able to acknowledge that he is also bisexual.
leo - he/him. hes giving straight metrosexual (LMAO) but has definitely tried SOMETHING w stitch in the past ok. just boys being boys or smth AGSHSJSKS
stitch - he/him. GAY HE IS GAY. while the boys being boys shit was happening w leo he was actually pining for bobby we (by we i mean me n @stitchs-nintendo-switch) all know this. some admiration mixed with fear mixed with “i can fix him” etc etc
pascal - he/him. also gay. i think the night bobby killed gerard intertwined him and stitch forever and was the start of some deep codependent bond between them 🫶🫶🫶 yay
gerard - he/him. straight and casually kinda homophobic 🙂‍↕️ you know just the way teen boys are homophobic
simon - ok insane take but i like to think shes also trans. trans woman, she/her, edna’s very supportive of her 😌. jr does not figure this shit out bc jr is so so oblivious. (as he is also deeply oblivious to the fact that brooks is rolling her eyes every time he talks about his dad being kind of a dick 💀💀) ALSO bisexual
veronica - transmasc enby. he/she/they? just cause ^_^ i think maybe he and james gillies could have interesting conversations abt gender and crossdressing.
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wendytestabrat · 1 year ago
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yes, kyle WAS a dick in “you’re getting old/ass burgers”
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ok i’m so tired of all the people who defend kyle in this episode with the same half-assed argument of “yeah ofc kyle didn’t wanna be around stan bc it can be hard to be around someone with depression!1!!1” like yes i agree with that and i can DEF understand why kyle didn’t wanna be around stan when he was depressed. it can be hard AF for me too to be around someone who’s negative and wants to mope around and be miserable all the time LOL. it’s one thing to be there for someone depressed bc they just experienced something rlly difficult and traumatic (bc i mean we ALL go through shitty times and get depressed at some point) like that’s just being a good friend imo, but it’s another thing to completely enable someone who just wants to be miserable and play the victim instead of trying to overcome their depression. in that case i aint gonna feel bad for u and i’m prob gonna wanna distance myself lol. so yeah it DEF was realistic and understandable why kyle didn’t wanna be around stan anymore bc it can be draining AF to be around someone THAT negative. however, what us kyle haters had an issue with is the HYPOCRISY from kyle lol. like rlly you’re saying KYLE BROFLOVSKI the absolute king of codependency and martyrdom doesn’t wanna be around stan bc he “can’t save him” and is “bumming him out” like ok sure jan lol. and what i rlly have a problem with is kyle saying he doesn’t wanna be around stan but then has no problem hanging out with cartman instead lol. like um cartman is wayyy more toxic and annoying to be around than stan. so you don’t wanna be around or help someone with depression, but you’re fine being around and helping someone who’s a racist murderer????? (and literally the same person who gave u aids) make it make sense LOL. THAT’S why kyle seemed fake af and a shitass friend to stan in these episodes lol. it just seemed like kyle was looking for an excuse or waiting for his opportunity to dump stan as a friend to hang out with cartman and wanted to do that for a long time but never had a valid enough reason to before without it looking sus on his end. bc we didn’t even see kyle make any effort whatsoever to get through to stan, it’s like the MINUTE he found out there was a problem with stan he was like BYE. i hate that shit, kyle is like that one friend who just waits for you to screw up or make one tiny mistake so they can stab you in the back and abandon you lol, yet is fine hanging out with other friends who act wayyy more toxic who do worse shit. not to mention kyle himself is negative and whines 24/7…so i mean LOL. that’s a HUGE red flag to me is if a friend only wants you to be perfect or only likes being around you during the happy times, but the moment something goes wrong in your life they aren’t there. THAT’S how you know a “friend” is just using you. it just seemed like kyle was holding stan up to this impossibly unfair standard that he aint holding cartman up to lol, so OFC he would dump stan once he realized there’s no use for him in his life anymore.
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