#god let endo systems be

[dyketubbo]

girl help my silly post that got some attention not only has a typo but has also found its way on a blog of someone whose ideologies i fundamentally disagree with

[fictivecalls]

alright

thats set up enough for me to be happy

let’s kick it into gear

The askbox for Fictivecalls is now open

[antiendovents]

actually, since i already commented on your post about tulpas and how they pissed me off; im gonna do it again. in detail.

note: i am a former buddhist, i live in a buddhist country. (95% of thais are buddhists) and pretty much been surrounded by it. im asian. saying it before people jump at me because im terrified as shit

as i mentioned, tulpas are stolen and bastardized completely from a tribe of tibetan buddhists, and the practice itself isn't even a system thing. while thai buddhism and tibetan buddhism are different in their own way, i am very fucking pissed off that they just saw the concept of a thoughtform spirit that helps you meditate, overcome your fear and guide you to nirvana (because that's the main purpose of buddhism) and turn them into "oh! we make alters because we can due to our meditation and we're spiritual so that totally excuses using a generally closed practice! we're not harming anyone!" total bullshit.

i don't want (and sorry if i'm a bit mean) those bigoted fucks stealing basically my culture since im attached to buddhism in general, i grew up with it. and "tulpa systems" slapping it on themselves for the sake of being "unique". i have seen countless comments and posts about how its always the white/non asian people that say "no its not a closed practice, its not cultural appropriation :) actually you should be glad we're appreciating your culture in the first place" fuck off! appreciating culture is fine, but you bastardize it so much and dumb it down to just "making alters/imaginary friends" are you just hearing yourself? are you stupid? are you braindead? god, im getting so angry again.

i have also seen "tulpamancers" insulting actual asians like me who speak against tulpas, saying that we're just "asian token of a character" or that we're "closed minded" and should accept these assholes who dont know what theyre doing into my culture and blatantly disrespecting it, spitting on it and just taking one practice that fits their narrative. wow, talk about being appreciative while half of your community does shit like this to actual buddhists, huh? real nice of you. way to go, you cultural appropriating fucks. /vneg

i cannot count how many times asian culture is so whitewashed on the internet, people that just take our tradition and do whatever the hell they want with it, including making a system out of thoughtforms, which is not possible whatsoever. and for what? FOR WHAT? for your own sick entertainment and enjoyment of having a imaginary friend in your head? try dissociating so hard you cry yourself to sleep you absolute pillock. this is a very angry submission, but it just frustrates me so much. all of the insulting "yous" are directed towards "tulpamancers" that they proudly call themselves. by the way. sorry if it sounded like it was directed at you, im just so angry at the moment.

one last thing. Stop. Using. The Term. Tulpa. For your system. Please!!!!. tulpa systems are not a thing and will never be. End of story. Nothing will change that. Endos fuck off. im sick of your shit. thanks for reading my angry rant.

-azriel for the majority of this, rox/virus proofreading some of the parts, thanks for letting us vent ^^

i dont have much to add, please read this ^^

[sophieinwonderland]

On "colonizing" spaces...

@obsessive-schizoid

Now, "colonizing" is such an interesting term to use here. It's a very loaded word meant to imply that endogenic systems are oppressors.

The idea that somehow, the concept of being a system is a unique cultural right to traumagenic and disordered systems, and that we're moving in to claim what's theirs.

What's funny about the use of the word here is how DID, and mental disorders in general, are largely colonialist constructs.

The concept of plurality is as old as time itself. Like most other strange and unexplained phenomena, people create their own explanations for what they were experiencing. Usually some sort of ghosts or spirit guides. It varies from culture to culture what plurality was interpreted as. But it has always existed.

But then you have these white, Christian nations that spread their religion across the globe. And with their beliefs, comes those that stigmatize and literally demonize spiritual plurality. To most Christians, there are no spirits other than demons and God's own angels. All possessing spirits must therefore be demonic entities that need to be cast out and destroyed as Legion was in the bible.

And thus, any cultural and spiritual plurality is stamped out by colonialists.

When psychiatry and psychology form as institutions, these doctors have been taught in this environment. An environment where there is only one person per body, and anything outside of that is bad and evil.

Instead of calling it demonic possession though, they call it a mental disorder. Just as these doctors, who grew up in this religious climate, once called homosexuality a mental disorder because even if they're atheist, they're still essentially culturally Christian.

A History of Secrecy

In the middle-ages, plurals couldn't be out as plural because if they were public, they would be accused of being demonically possess or even of witchcraft which could get them put to death.

By the 1900s, we saw the rise of insane asylums, torturous electroshock therapy, and even lobotomies for the mentally ill.

It's no wonder that most non-disordered plurals during this period would have kept their plurality to themselves.

Why risk people thinking you mad and stripping you of your human rights if you can avoid it?

This lasted until the 90s after this thing called the internet came along and allowed people to communicate across the globe anonymously. And for the first time, plurals learned that they weren't alone in the world.

Separatists, Not Colonists

I don't expect anti-endos to have a good grasp on plural history. Or any history. Or psychology, psychiatry, sociology, basic literacy or reasoning skills.

So let's take a moment to remind everyone that in the 90s, all "multiple personalities" were seen as pathological. This was a result of centuries of actual colonialists treating it as either evil or a mental disorder that needed to be cured.

Most non-disordered and endogenic systems at the time started in the MPD/DID community because all systems were treated as pathological. Some had self-diagnosed. Though others were actually diagnosed with DID before rejecting the diagnosis.

This idea of endogenic and non-disordered systems "invading" or "colonizing" is a fiction. It's a rewriting of history. "Alternative facts," if you will.

The TRUTH is that endogenic and non-disordered systems were always part of the DID/MPD community until they decided to break away from it.

And it's that breaking away that sysmeds hate.

The idea of all multiplicity being a disorder is, itself, a colonialist idea. It is inherently rooted in a history of colonialism, pushing a one-size-fit-all world, beginning with Christianity demonizing spiritual plurality, and continuing with Western psychiatry pathologizing all plurality.

Sysmeds are products of this colonialism, and have become its chief propagators on this site and others like it.

When separating themselves from the medicalization of plurality, the new natural multiples created their own language to distance themselves from the medical association.

"Headmate" became the alternative to "alter". "Plural" became the alternative to "multiple" which plural systems at the time felt was too closely related to "multiple personality disorder." "Fictive and factive" were borrowed from endogenic soulbonders.

And all of these are terms that, after being coined by pro-endos, were taken by sysmeds and claimed as their own.

Sysmeds have also attempted to claim resources like Pluralkit and Simply Plural as their own despite both being made by pro-endos. And many have tried worming their way into the Alterhuman community despite "alterhuman" being a term that was made by a pro-endo and is explicitly inclusive of endogenic plurals.

Surely you can see how ridiculous this is, where you have endogenic systems trying to distance themselves from the medical community only for the medicalists to come into our spaces, claim all the terms and resource we built for themselves, and then accuse us of colonizing them.

[mausoleum-system]

you cant be a fucking syspunk if anti endo, the whole point of syspunk is to protect endo THQTS WHY IT WAS FUCKING MADE

Nope, anti endos made the tag bc every time we try to create a space for traumagenic systems, endos try to flood it and take it. It happened to the syspunk tags within the first few days and even still bc god forbid trauma victims qith a DISORDER have a space for themselves that doesnt involve people who arent DISORDERED by said DISORDER. You have your pluralpunk tag. Please let us have A SINGLE PLACE for ourselves. Btw, endos and their supporters are in my dni, please, thank you for not respecting that. /sarcasm

[circular-bircular]

you don't have to answer this if you don't want, but I would love to hear your thoughts on that post going around with whether endos have reason to use words like protector and persecutor. (the answer seems pretty obvious to me but I would love to hear your opinion)

Let me just — (saves as draft so I don’t lose my progress on writing this for a third time)

God, I wish I could find the image I was looking for, because it just. Perfectly describes what my thoughts are. I hope my description does it justice, but I know it doesn’t.

There was a chart I recall seeing. On one side, it explained the trauma a person experienced, and the role, and on the other side, it explained what that looks like in a system.

For example: Jane is treated as worthless and weak (protector) —> Kyle is strong and valuable to protect Jane from others.

( @sysmedsaresexist I could’ve sworn you posted it, but I can’t find it anywhere???)

Regardless. I think… at the end of the day, I’m fine with endogenic systems using those terms. The communities grew together, for better or for worse, and with that comes shared language. I just also don’t think all Endogenic systems are using those terms quite correctly, or understand the connotations of labeling themselves with those terms.

For instance, I’ve seen endogenic systems (ones who claimed to have no trauma whatsoever, mind you) who said they had persecutors “because Headmate Y is mean to us.” That’s not what a persecutor is.

I worry that this shared language makes the impact of these terms less.

But at the end of the day, I’m a bit more pressed about my lived experiences than I am about what someone else is doing.

[sawyer-is-eepy]

tw for syscourse and rq mentions //

i don’t give a shit anymore, this is important so im crosstagging this.

please, whoever you are, please read at least the tl;dr whether youre pro endo, anti endo, anti radqueer, pro radqueer, whatever. ignore the dni i guess? if you dont wanna see this just block me, i won't care.

-

god i FUCKING HATE that my existence is seen as pro rq just cause im pro endo.

got called a radqueer today. i got roped in with pedophiles and necrophiles and zoophiles.

look, listen, i'm all for anti-contact pro-recovery supporters and i do think that we shouldn't shun these people away.

but rq is not for that. they actively support pro-contact and anti recovery rhetoric as well as say its okay to be rcta and "transage" and shit.

THIS should be the thing anti rq focus on. instead of the fact that because i support something that DOES HAVE FUCKING RESEARCH ON IT DESPITE WHAT YOU ALL SAY YOU FUCKERS.

i can fight and kick and scream and yell all i want but at the end of the day, my opinion automatically doesnt matter.

it doesnt even matter if a system with a fucking diagnosis that is "normal" (aka no fictives, factives, less than like 15 alters, and has a miserable life because of course thats what its like for all *real* systems or whatever) was trying to fight against rq, if they were even kind of proendo they’d be shot down immediately.

let me reiterate this- NOT ALL ENDOS ARE RQ. NOT ALL PRO ENDOS ARE RQ. 

please fucking stop roping us in with these people. please. 

to rq - i dont want to be included in your fucking community. We’re fine on our own, okay? we don't need your “safe space,” you’re actively making it worse. kindly FUCK OFF AND STOP RUINING THIS FOR US. PLEASE. EVERY SINGLE DAY OF MY LIFE IS SPENT PROVING MYSELF OVER THE FUCKING INTERNET AND IT’S HARDER BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU. 

to endo rq- we don’t want you representing us. you are NOT the face of endos and supporters. Kindly also fuck off to your own space with the rq instead of speaking for us. 

every day i have to say the same shit because of YOU PEOPLE. YOU FUCKING PEOPLE. 

i can’t have fucking anything and i can’t win. my existence is constantly “disproven” or “debunked” or just used as rage fuel.

and it feels like it’ll never end. tell me, when does this shit end? when does all of this work we as a community have done pay off? 

damn. maybe i should stop doomscrolling, huh?

tl;dr i’m an endo/endo supporter and i would like to say that it is exhausting to constantly be roped in with radqueers just cause they support us or whatever. they don't speak for us, they don’t represent us, hate us all you want but don't label us radqueer. fucking PLEASE. and also, maybe we should focus on trying to stop the zoophiles, pedophiles and necrophiles and / or fighting for system awareness in general before we focus on fighting on whether or not endos are real when most people don’t even accept “real” systems.

[lucid-daydreaming-art]

intro post whoopee!!!

hi guys im lucid :D you can also call me daylin i don’t really care but i may be like woah how do you know my name (i will forget about making this post 2 seconds after posting it) also I AM AN ADULT im 22 and i do not use pronouns just use my name pleaseeeeeee if you have a disability that makes words hard to process i understand if that’s difficult you can just use they/them instead

first off just getting this out there if youre proship, zoo, pedo, incest supporter, endo system supporter, any kind of discriminatory against protected minority groups, and anti-otherkin, shoo. dont want you here youre not welcome. bye bye my content isnt for you.

immmmm an infp-t 4w5 sanguine-melancholic existential-intrapersonal-visual learner seer of heart prospit dreamer true neutral rogue shifter airbender and dragon type trainer for all you personality label freaks

i like to DRAW!!!!! this is an art blog!!!! i will only post art here, all of my reblogs will be on @trickstergemini save for the posts my close friends make that i want to support here. sometimes i will post just text but thats only if i really need to let you guys known something or im answering a question

my commissions are OPEN!!!!!!!! dm me for commission info im too lazy and busy to make a sheet

if my requests are closed that means theyre closed dont ask me to draw shit please and thank you

im AUTISTIC i am on that mf spectrum been diagnosed since i was three. for me this means im not naturally fluent in social norms or what’s expected from an interaction or how to read others very well. i also have heavy special interests and find it really hard to turn the conversation away from something im fixating on or specially interested in. i also have extremeeeee sensory issues and a hard time being completely flexible when im comfortable in a routine so just be patient with me man adjustments are hard for me. my empathy is also extremely low and im a really really high masking person so if i come off as well versed or allistic just know that i either took a million years to format the right way to say things or i am entirely going off a predetermined script and will fumble if caught off guard. other important stuff ive got adhd bpd cptsd and major depressive disorder which all those combined makes me really flaky when it comes to responding or follow through. i may not reply to you for like 500 years or maybe i will be gods speediest most motivated soldier. just don’t expect me to be a readily available fully capable robot ok?? ok.

i am one half of @ask-kas-n-lamp the other half is some guy i don’t know he just hacked himself into the account and now i have to deal with him. the blog is no longer running though i apologize. we got burnt out from the shitty fans

in all seriousness mod dum, aka @unoriginal-and-dumb or unodum or unoriginal or whatever u know him by, thats my qpp thats my platonic soulmate my bestest friend my number one crate my brain cyst the doctor has to surgically remove from me my parasocial relationship my stalker my servant i keep locked up in my basement and i feed him cement and staples for every meal and for dessert maybe he gets rust shavings. he will be featured in my art like a lot or in my comments and reblogs and i will also be present in his stuff sometimes. if have drawn kasper it is his design, that design is not made by me its made by him sooo you should check him out and support him if you like that style or how about instead we get a mass unfollowing going there and you all come to my page and i exclusively will draw his design of kasper and get all the credit lets do that instead

uuueeehhhmmm my special interests are pokemon, homestuck, geography, taxonomy, my ocs, and personality psychology. i guess i also am specially interested in dragons because i like and think about them more than all of the above and have to incorporate them into everything but its less of an ill infodump to you interest and more of an i want to be surrounded by this thing because it brings me extreme comfort because it feels like me.

i am otherkin im a dragon and i look like this:

i will also represent myself like this if im feeling it:

yes i know i am not actually a physical dragon and im not a spiritual kinner i kin for identity purposes and the fact that i feel some pretty intense crippling species dysphoria idk ive been like this since i was 5 i don’t really have memories of my life where i wasnt experiencing animalistic behaviors and instincts

my favorite music artists are s3rl twenty øne piløts onerepublic imagine dragons of monsters and men thefatrat glass animals ajr queen nine inch nails and muse my favorite medias are httyd movies pokemon homestuck regretevator invader zim our flag means death infinity train gravity falls rosencrantz and guildenstern are dead doctor who my little pony fim dont starve and the mcelroy brothers content

heres some more characters i represent myself as:

ok BYE

[sys-confessions]

Mainly a vent regarding r/systemscringe because this is getting so fucking annoying

I hate that people will actively post places and fakeclaim every system. Not just endos, but legitimate systems. We’ve been posted on there a bit and it’s annoying as hell to see people that just don’t know us saying we’re “faking a disorder and making it a game”

Can I not have fucking fun? Do I have to be fucking miserable for those bastards to understand that I’m sick and tired of not being able to enjoy my life?

They don’t think DID exists and it’s annoying as all hell.

I’m more upset that others on blogs are getting posted via asks and shit just to be made fun of.

They even say that ramcoa doesn’t exist when it does. There’s a plastic bag over their heads and they won’t do anything to stop it. I wish Reddit would fucking do something about the bullying and belittling that fucking subreddit does and how much misinformation is there.

God damn. I wish they’d just let systems fucking live and stop saying “every single system is fake and can’t have fun”

It’s annoying.

But if you say anything about it and how you’re annoyed that you’ve been fakeclaimed, you’re immediately fake as well, no matter if you have a diagnosis or not

People piss me off

.

[sysmedsaresexist]

Mod Quill with some feelings tonight as I scroll the syscourse tags in the usual pits of despair with a bag of popcorn and too little free time. As always, that show I sometimes stumble upon and leave running in the background while I do laundry is on, 24/7 it seems like. The TV station really loves running that particular producer’s re-runs.

I watch for a little bit, but the main character is just… painful to watch. She constantly pushes people away in some sort of way to get her goals each episode — but the series has never ended. It just is the same exact plot line each episode. It gets spicy sometimes when there’s a recurring plot line, or a story arc. They’re all a little… circular sometimes though. She gets sassy too, but that’s few and far between nowadays.

This latest arc, she’s clearly blue.

…

Okay so now that I’ve rambled enough on this metaphor about Sophie-

Her latest bait for trying to hurt a clearly traumatized person is just as painful to see as it always is. Just... god forbid she do something to actually further plural acceptance. I find it so ironic how she peddles that goal to her followers — The Future is Plural, right? — while consistently and actively working against it. She consistently tries to bait people who are against her in an attempt to prop herself up higher, never realizing that all the outside world is seeing is her stomping on others. 

Blue-Bubonic is very clearly fragile, at least in my eyes. I haven’t forgotten their (pronouns unsure, but please feel free to correct me) first foray into syscourse. And yet she sees it as more acceptable to continue needling them -- and taunting that fact and touting it as a badge of honor -- in order to... do what? She's said she's painting herself as a villain, she's being the Bad Guy, but genuinely, how is that helping plurals? How is this helping further her goals?

She is quite literally attacking her own with this and further aggravating an already clearly traumatized individual. And she constantly does this. From my perspective, it must almost be fun for her, and if I remember correctly, she's admitted it's fun. She revels in it. I can't condone people who sit and just... soak in other people's misery. I have literally been working on overcoming some doubts of mine today due to harassment I received, simply because I said I thought people deserved better than literal death threats. And here she is, just... spreading negativity for negativity's sake. How is that helping anything? Isn't it just putting more negative into the world?

The worst part is, I agree with her on so many things. I have to restrain myself from reblogging her posts to my real blogs (you’re welcome, SAS, this blog isn’t real anymore, you’re free) simply so I can avoid syscourse there as much as possible. I’m also scared too. I’m scared of her. I’m scared to reblog something, both because her eyes might be on me if I do, and because the entire system community on tumblr that touches tulpamancy with a 5 foot pole is watching too. Every single action I do is not only scrutinized by her; it’s scrutinized by the community.

I just… wish there was a better way to spread positivity. I wish there were more The Plurality Of… posts, ones that aren’t written with the direct correlation of “let’s stick it to those anti-endos!” I would love more plural headcanons with the goal, “let’s uplift all plurals!” I try to do this as much as possible, but I’m one man.

I see her with her 😈 rightful anger (and I do believe she is justified in that anger, please don’t think I am saying she shouldn’t be angry, she has gotten so much shit that was undeserved, something I regret deeply playing any part of in the past, and something I want to apologize for now again)… I see her with that anger, and I just wish there were a way to help. I wish there were a way to turn that negativity away. I’ve managed it! I’ve managed to escape it in little ways. What am I doing that’s so different? It’s not because I’m a DID system and she’s not — lord knows I’ve had my fair share of harassment for my existence. It’s not because we’re different syscourse stances — I’m as pro-endo as they come in everything but label. Hell, shocker of all shockers, I’ve come to accept I have willed-to-life alters, so I can even relate to her way of existence, at least to some degree.

And yet, I feel so different from her. And it’s sad to see someone you agree with, someone who you know is just doing their best, causing so much harm for the things you also believe in.

…

So I turn off the TV. And I try not to watch. But in my head, my stupid writer brain gets the monkeys and the typewriters out. And it goes to town.

In my head, I’ve written a story where I sit down with her. Sometimes it’s discord, sometimes it’s via tumblr asks back and forth, and too often to count it’s some nebulous cafe somewhere where I’m drinking hot chocolate and she’s drinking some sort of white chocolate coffee. Not sure why that’s what I imagine, but it makes sense to me.

And I just… talk to her. Like a person. We set aside syscourse entirely and have a proper sysconversation. We talk about plurality and our feelings about it; we talk about how my disorder impacts me in similar and different ways to her tulpamancy; we even discuss how this very fanfiction-like-dream is, in a way, plural in of itself, because i don’t control what she says, not willingly. I guess she got her dream, an anti-endo (in a way) with a Sophie introject (in a way).

And I laugh, and she laughs, and it’s good.

And then I go online and see the latest callout post about why Sophie is a bad person. And I sigh, because I know they never work, and I personally know how traumatizing it is to have a callout post detailing everything you’ve ever done wrong.

And then I write up this, feeling like a hypocrite. But I want her to know, I’m not trying to paint her as evil. I don’t think she is. I think she’s just… a person, trying her best, and this is me publicly saying I disagree with her methods.

I hope the show reaches a final season soon. Maybe a spinoff series will get made. Crossover episode when? I vote for Sophie Through The Looking Glass as a sequel series name.

[fairygodsystem]

Your Fairy God System

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I will usually ignore hate asks but will sometimes answer them to make fun of them!

This blog is going to be mostly free of syscourse in order to spread info and positivity while helping other systems but when I do post something related to it, I will tag #syscourse !

Now that we have the info out of the way, feel free to ask or browse as much as you like! Thank you for reading <3

[disabled-systems]

Traumagenic disabled system here, I just hate seeing syscourse in the physicallydisabled tag. Its got nothing to do with it, please stop poisoning unrelated spaces with your syscourse stance

let me be clear: THIS ISNT A SYSCOURSE BLOG. people are MAKING it a syscourse blog.

furthermore: we use all the same tags on our posts. i am only making posts about it as asks come in about it. i have a right to be in a physically disabled tag when i am being harassed as a physically disabled person. i have a right to post on tumblrs tags. it is a public website. just block me if you dont want to see me responding to people being off. i also tag most posts with syscourse and all the posts that arent “culture is” are tagged with ds.general asks so you could block that tag. the internet is a free space. did you forget the block button exists?

FURTHERMORE: this is a cripple punk blog. you know whats punk? standing up to people who are going out of their way to break your boundaries.

i really dont want this blog to be people nonstop getting on our ass. again, if you want to make a blog for pro-endo disabled systems, be our guest, but respect our boundaries and for the love of god PLEASE piss off. kindly.

-takeoff (he/far/away)

[anti-endo-help]

Vent/Rant warning - it isn't anything too insane, its just some pro-enod bullshit i used to deal with (I'm so sorry flings myself, i just really wanted to state this as I don't get to much since I don't have many friends with DID/OSDD and ect)

OKAY OKAY so like, I hate when mfs are pro-endo just because "well the person calls themselves a endo because they aren't sure if they are a system!!" THEN WHY DON'T YOU HELP THEM?????? Legit if you are seeing your friend or someone you know who finds out they are a system, just fucking help them???? Don't let them call themselves something that harms them more and just encourages fakers???? Like even the fucking term endo WAS COINED BY SOMEONE WHO IS A SYSTEM BUT JUST WAS NOT SURE AND IT IN HEAVY DENIL TOO IIRC???? LIKE STOP OML???? It's genuinely actually insane (i had to deal with friends who thought this way and it was like "yeahh!!!..... *leaves uncomfortably*" -⚰🧸

OH MY GOD REAL!!!! like just help them??? people who are discovering themselves or confused deserve to be assisted 😭

[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]

[sophieinwonderland]

r/systemscringe: "Just because all the papers agree you can be plural without a disorder doesn't mean endos are real"

This was their response to this post of mine.

And it is truly wild!

A lot of endogenic systems are, in fact, plural for spiritual reasons. So if "all the papers agree" that some spiritual practices cause plurality then that's clearly validation of a lot of endogenic and mixed origin systems.

The second line goes on to... seemingly dismiss all spiritual plurality as racism? Is that right? That seems to be the only way that makes sense as a logical follow-up to them just casually mentioning that ALL THE PAPERS AGREE that spiritual practices can cause plurality. So therefore, the only way the racism line could argue against endogenic plurality is to say that it's all racist.

Which raises a question... do you just believe literally every culture that practices spirit possession is a closed culture??? Do you believe that all of these different cultures, across the globe, somehow share ownership over the concept of possession itself and no one else can touch it?

Like, you surely do realize there are a ton of neopagans practicing mediumship and spirit channeling right now with no direct ties to any specific culture.

Do you think these people are appropriating aspects of other cultures just by practicing possession?

(Also... if you believed these spiritual practices were indeed working with actual, literal spirits, it would be pretty weird if all the spirits in the worlds only chose to commune with people of specific cultures.)

The more I look at this comment, the more absurd and ridiculous it is!

Spirituality vs Psychology

Up above, I only talked about spirituality. But let's talk about tulpamancy for a moment.

Tulpamancy, to catch everyone up, is a Western practice that is largely not spiritual, and is viewed through a psychological lens. In one study, only 8.5% of tulpamancers agreed with purely metaphysical explanations for their tulpas compared to 76.5% with purely psychological views.

And this raises a new issue.

Because the papers aren't just affirming that spiritual practices are plurality. They're also affirming that tulpamancy, a largely psychological practice, is plurality as well.

And we have an actual fMRI study with review pending that can show that these sorts of phenomena have real effects on the brain, and that they can happen without any spiritual beliefs whatsoever.

And you can argue that this scientifically-recognized practice is appropriation if you want because it draws its etymology from another culture's spiritual practice. I personally think that's ignorant and is like saying "Hurricane" is appropriation because the word came from a Native American term for storm gods. But simply arguing that something might be offensive doesn't invalidate the science.

Whether you like the name or not, there is still a psychological practice that replicates the a lot of the experiences of spiritual plurality, without any spiritual belief whatsoever.

Big takeaways:

All the papers support endogenic plurality.

Tulpamancy studies are showing that experiences thought to be exclusive to spirituality can be experienced without any spiritual beliefs whatsoever.

r/systemscringe continues to be the most ridiculous hive of fools on the internet.

[thegardensys]

Finding a sense of community as a system feels like such an impossible task sometimes.

- You can’t join discord servers because 80% of the time, they’re toxic or unsafe. It’s generally advised not to join them, but they feel like the most abundant source of community. It doesn’t help that a lot of them also foster safe spaces for fictionkins/IRL’s and endo/tulpa systems. While I’m not entirely against fiction kins or “IRLs”, considering I can understand that IRLs stem from psychosis or other mental health problems, it’s not exactly great to lump them in with systems.

- God forbid you mention being a system on tiktok or twitter. That’s a hellhole we don’t even want to get into. Plus, there’s so much misinformation on those apps, we’ve only found one system account that we actually enjoy on tiktok because they don’t spew misinformation left and right, they’re just fun and relatable.

- Posting about it online WILL get you fake claimed. You can be the most stereotypical, hard to disprove, medically recognized system, and someone will still say that you are faking because you didn’t keep that part of yourself hidden for the rest of your life.

- Wanting to be friends with other systems will, again, get you fake claimed, because then, fake claimers see it as a roleplay group.

- Adding onto the discord bit, a lot of servers are filled with traumatized minors who are still in an abusive situation that then go on to perpetuate toxic ideology because they don’t have access to therapy or any medical help. But, because of our age, it’s hard to find servers that aren’t filled with 13-15 year olds, considering other servers will straight up tell you that you can’t consider being a system if you are not 25+ and medically diagnosed.

- Group therapy seems like it’d work well in theory, but getting into therapy at all is expensive, let alone, putting yourself in a room full of strangers to talk about your disorder when you yourself have hardly come to terms with it.

Our partner system is the only system we have communication with regarding to being a system. They are the only person that we know outside of family and teachers. We need to make friends, be social and get over our fear of communication, but it’s hard when you have to hide an entire part of yourself out of fear of being ridiculed.

Anyways, our Tumblr is turning into a ranting account, which wasn’t really the intent. But we’re not exciting, so there’s not much else to post without revealing too much about our system and putting us in a bad position.

- 🌻 and 🎲

DNI: Endogenic systems, Basic DNI criteria

[harmonyfriends]

every now and then this fucking website recommends us a random post that happens to come with "endos dni" "fuck endos" tags on it even when the post has nothing to do with that and it is always so infuriating every time.

to those who don't know what that means because they aren't a terminally online plural system, "endo" is short for "endogenic system", which means any plural system that isn't formed by trauma — basically, these people think there's only one correct way to be plural and are bigoted towards people with other experiences.

and god damn it fucking pisses me off so much every fucking time. it's such an ugly exclusionary thing, and while I'm inclined to give some forgiveness because, to be frank, like most DNI bullshit, it's mostly kids, it still riles me up. you hate the idea of non-traumagenic plurality so much you have to remind people of it on everything you post? jesus.

I think part of the reason it bothers me is that I wonder how people can even be so sure about what their system origin is in the first place. traumagenic plurality is about severe childhood trauma happening so early that it was before your sense of self could properly integrate (which is usually around 8 or 9 years old iirc?) — so early that, from our perspective, it's impossible to know who we would have turned out to be otherwise.

plurality is a complex interaction between neurodivergence and environment… we actually disagree, within the harmony friends, about whether or not changing those events would have caused us to turn out not plural or not. this one writing this believes us to be traumagenic in nature. but I have nothing against the friends in here that believe we would have been plural no matter what. in fact I kinda find something a little romantic to the notion… even though I don't find it very realistic, myself.

anyway if I have any advice or whatever it's this: don't let your origin define you. you are so much more than your childhood trauma (or lack thereof, if you're lucky) — you're who you are now, and that's amazing and beautiful; you've got nothing to prove to anyone, and especially have no mandate to broadcast your trauma history to strangers in order to be accepted for yourselves.